Comments on Ambassador Watch: Passing of a generation

I was introduced to Mr. McNair by a friend who wen...

2006-11-11T04:39:00.000+13:00

I was introduced to Mr. McNair by a
friend who went to AC. We chatted in the Auditorium after the AM service, remember when the PM congregation was the "place to be"?
He was personable at least. I don't know if he had given sermons in No. California lately, but I would have attended. He, Albrecht and LaRavia gave the best sermons at the FOTs I attended.

I didn't know Raymond Mcnair very well, but he tru...

2006-07-26T10:12:00.000+12:00

I didn't know Raymond Mcnair very well, but he truly had the faith of a child and often got into hilarious situations giving sermons with that attitude. I know he was sincere and his enthusiasm for what he thought was the way to be was at least something that can't be questioned. As a person, he was wholehearted and genuine as far as I could know. He was a bit too much of company man, but that's how it was.

"Since then, I don't recall him ever stating that ...

2006-07-25T00:34:00.000+12:00

"Since then, I don't recall him ever stating that seeking medical attention exhibits a lack of faith."

At least that's something positive coming from Armstrongland. Armstrong's position on medical treatment was his most damaging dogma.

Actually, he's quieted down a great deal on the me...

2006-07-24T15:14:00.000+12:00

Actually, he's quieted down a great deal on the medical front. I remember one sermon nearly a decade ago, in which Meredith got up with a stack of prayer requests and castigated those members who asked for prayers to the effect that "God would guide the hands of the surgeon." Within a year, his own wife was diagnosed with cancer. Since then, I don't recall him ever stating that seeking medical attention exhibits a lack of faith.

After being treated, Mrs. Meredith's cancer has been in remission for at least half a decade now, by the way.

'Tis no rumor. Meredith hasn't made a big deal of...

2006-07-24T05:13:00.000+12:00

'Tis no rumor. Meredith hasn't made a big deal of it, but he admitted in last year's ministerial conference that he is diabetic. He's trying to watch his diet to a certain extent, but he does like to eat out from time to time, which makes it difficult to control what he eats all the time.

Raymond McNair was a sincere man, if nothing else....

2006-07-23T17:57:00.000+12:00

Raymond McNair was a sincere man, if nothing else. I heard he once burned up his Rolls Royce Engine at Bricket Wood because he never put oil in the car. He was never strong on mechanical or electrical devices.

Doesn't Rod Meredith suffer with diabetes? Or was that just a rumor?

Meredith just might be next to die, he has diabete...

2006-07-20T11:13:00.000+12:00

Meredith just might be next to die, he has diabetes, cannot stand after a sermon many times, can sit but can hardly talk afterwords as well.
Yes it is too bad that they cannot all recant before death.
But then again they feel that it is ok to lie if it furthers the gospel, at least in their view.
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"Do these guys have even a little shred of fear th...

2006-07-19T11:12:00.000+12:00

"Do these guys have even a little shred of fear that they might have to account for all the stuff they did in God's name?"

No, they had no fear. They'd just argue with god and show him why he's wrong. It is encouraging to see attrition do it's job, though...It may sound unfeeling until you think about the misery and ruined relationships and lost careers and hurt children,etc...

The plague and error of Armstrongism won't be dead...

2006-07-19T07:54:00.000+12:00

The plague and error of Armstrongism won't be dead any time soon I fear. I may dwindle and grow weak but there are always those who cling to absurdity rather than face reality. There's also a sucker born every minute.

Alan, I oftened wondered about that myself. Did th...

2006-07-19T05:23:00.000+12:00

Alan, I oftened wondered about that myself. Did these people even have a conscience?

Loma Armstrong once admitted to someone in candor that Herbert and Richard just got into religion "for the money.” (http://harryfreeloader.tripod.com/WCG-HWA-Why-a-Preacher.htm)

I’m not perfect by any means, but I’d hate to be in their shoes in the resurrection.

What I wonder about all of these guys is if they e...

2006-07-19T04:23:00.000+12:00

What I wonder about all of these guys is if they even -believe- in God. Did Armstrong? Do these guys have even a little shred of fear that they might have to account for all the stuff they did in God's name? I don't even mean just the doctrinal stuff, although that's bad enough. I mean the very basic sin that seems to be part and parcel of being in the WCG clergy (incest, adultery, greed, stealing, lying -- basically all 10 of the commandments) that even the "unsaved" recognize as wrong. Have they no fear of God at all?

It will take as long for Armstrongism to fade as d...

2006-07-19T04:10:00.000+12:00

It will take as long for Armstrongism to fade as did the Millerite movement.

No, wait, that's the Seventh Dayers, isn't it?

Let's face it, Herbertism is here to stay even though it may be underground.

Gavin, I concur with the generally positive commen...

2006-07-19T03:16:00.000+12:00

Gavin, I concur with the generally positive comments you made about Raymond McNair. He certainly does have some admirable qualities, even though I now see the errors of the doctrines he holds dear. I remember his wife's beautiful violin playing at the Feast of Tabernacles too. I'll say a Pater Noster and an Ave for him.

The death of Armstrongism is wishful thinking. Her...

2006-07-19T02:26:00.000+12:00

The death of Armstrongism is wishful thinking. Herbert Armstrong's earliest and most dedicated disciples may pass from the scene, but there are plenty of younger zealots to keep the fires of Armstrongism burning. Armstrongism is a very useful and comforting philosophy to those who are ensnared by it. That's how they got ensnared. Its perpetuation is assured.

What we do lose, with the passing of these men, is a view of history that nobody else can give us. But then the topic of Armstrongism is so emotionally surcharged, that it would be impossible to sit someone down, like McNair, and get an objective accounting.

I am greatly saddened when any Armstrongite dies having not recanted.