Comments on Ambassador Watch: The Last Daze: 1335 sleeps to go

"There is no Mt. Carmel or Jonestown in this story...

2008-04-19T07:22:00.000+12:00

"There is no Mt. Carmel or Jonestown in this story."

In fact there is.

Look at the epicenter of the 5.2 quake on April 17th (Hawaii time).

Closest town?

Mt. Carmel

Oh, one final note, Weinland did not predict Mered...

2008-02-28T03:22:00.000+13:00

Oh, one final note, Weinland did not predict Meredith would die by the end of February. So I have been (reliably?!) informed by a member of the CoG-PKG. Apparently there's no timeline on the seven thunders, but there is on the seven seals. Hence the April 17th date being a seventh seal not a seventh thunder.

It all makes sense to them. But I've blown my credibility with at least one of them now, thanks to Bill's assumption.

Of note, the CoG-PKG will be keeping Passover after sunset on April 18th. I wonder if the church has called for a fast on the 17th? I know there was a church fast on the 2nd, when the 1335 days was started off by Weinland.

I watched Purple Haze last night. It was most edifying. :-(

God speed, Weinland Watch. He who saves one human...

2008-02-25T10:15:00.000+13:00

God speed, Weinland Watch. He who saves one human life, for him it is as if he saved the entire universe.

"There is no Mt. Carmel or Jonestown in this story...

2008-02-25T08:46:00.000+13:00

"There is no Mt. Carmel or Jonestown in this story."

I certainly hope that there isn't. I want to be proven just as "false" as Rotten Ronnie will be, come the 17th of April.

There may not be a Mt. Carmel or Jonestown in this story----but I want to make sure there won't be. Even if it is my agitating caution and advisories that prevents Ron&Co from going through with something they may have otherwise planned for their "seventh seal", then I will consider my efforts worthwhile.

This guy is small potatoes, mercifully limiting hi...

2008-02-24T21:11:00.000+13:00

This guy is small potatoes, mercifully limiting himself and his followers to a few weeks of excited waiting for the end as their lives go on normally. There is no Mt. Carmel or Jonestown in this story.

The prophecies will fail. Nothing will happen. Weinland's credibility will vanish. Major embarrassment.

Change of name and location for Weinland and back to the old day job. Bye-bye, Ronnie.

Followers will rethink -- or begin to think. If they've sacrificed savings, they'll have to rebuild nest eggs. Some will wait for two more witnesses; others will take their families on pleasant vacations...

One further point: Weinland Watch is not affiliate...

2008-02-23T03:45:00.000+13:00

One further point:

Weinland Watch is not affiliated with Ambassador Watch in any way, other than remarks I have made on the public comments section of the site.

I never stated outright that Harrell had links to ...

2008-02-23T03:34:00.000+13:00

I never stated outright that Harrell had links to those groups; I always speculated that he might and asked if he did, which CoG-PKG could have emailed me about at any time (the email address for WW is pretty much plastered in six-foot-high letters across the "About" page").

Interesting to note that the well-established home construction business in Macon, GA, is not as easily findable, at least on a cursory search, as the information about one "Johnny Harrell".

The keen observer will also recognize the fact that they say nothing at all about Matthews, who has definitively been tied to Anglo-Israelism, as recently as 1998.

Weinland himself preaches about US&BC in the latest sermon posted to the website, "45 Days to the Seventh Seal" (assuming they don't edit that part out after this).

Anglo-Israelism gave the initial "push" to many CoG splinters, as well as to several christian identity and militia groups.

If the CoG-PKG does not want to draw undue attention or potentially awkward speculation to itself, it should not be promoting US&BC as the lost tribes of Israel.

INFO STRAIGHT FROM THE WEINLAND GROUPFrom: Bill Lu...

2008-02-22T15:11:00.000+13:00

INFO STRAIGHT FROM THE WEINLAND GROUP

From: Bill Lussenheide
To: thecofg@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:21 am
Subject: Johnny Harrell
To whom it may concern:

Is your US Evangelist Johnny Harrell , the same person as Johnny Robert Harrell?

Could you please provide biographical information about Mr. Harrell. Of interest is his age, work background, and religious/political history.

This will be used as press release material. Please advise.

Regards.

Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA

From: thecofg@aol.com
bill.lussenheide
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Johnny Harrell

Hello Bill,

This has only come to our attention concerning what someone with affiliation to Ambassador Watch wrote about Johnny Harrell, who was recently ordained as an evangelist in the Church of God - PKG. We are indeed looking into the material recently posted by this individual who is fully in error, and what he has written is fully slanderous in nature. There has certainly been no effort on their part to find anything factual about Mr. Harrell, but only a flimsy attempt to twist and distort an association with first and last names in an effort to slander the Church and Johnny Harrell, who is an evangelist in the Church.

There is absolutely no association between these two people and they are clearly different people (which wouldn't be too hard to verify if someone put the slightest effort into their fact gathering). Johnny Harrell has been in the construction business for 30 years with his own company in the construction of homes in the Macon, GA area. He has no political background at all and was a member of the Worldwide Church of God for many years before that church organization moved away from the teachings it had embraced for decades. Mr. Harrell then associated himself with the current Church of God organization that splintered from the WCG in 1995.

We would like to receive information from you as to what organization you represent and if you have any association with Ambassador Watch. What organization is responsible for such a press release and what is its purpose?

We await your reply,
the Church of God - PKG

2-21-08 To The COGFG@aol.com

To Whom It May Concern:

Ambassador Watch is a blog. It is open to the public for posts. I have written to you for clarification as to who your Evangelist Johnny Harrell is.

No one at Ambassador Watch has stated that the specific Johnny Harrell that is in your church, is guilty of anything or specifically has any connections or implications.

However, as was demonstrated at the site, there is indeed MUCH written about a Johnny Harrell on the internet (websites quoted at the site) , who is an individual who clearly has militia, and paramiltary connections, as well as End Time apocalyptic visions. These websites are not connected to anyone at Ambassador Watch, or the COG community.

I write, as a member of the general COG, in good standing and reputation, that is held in high regard by many in the online COG community. Thank you for your response, and I will be sure that your information provided will be posted widely for clarification purposes in regards to your specific Johnny Harrell, and his lack of connection to the Johnny Harrell that is found researching the internet.

Regards
Bill Lussenheide

The latest sermon on Weinland's website is 45 Days...

2008-02-22T03:10:00.000+13:00

The latest sermon on Weinland's website is 45 Days to the Seventh Seal.

Bill's already listened to it. The prospect makes me ill, but I've got to do the same.

Gavin do you still have Weinland's phone number? (Did you ever really have his phone number?) Can you call him up before sunset on April 18th and ask him just what exactly he's got in the works?

Very very disturbing.

And the sooner "fewer and fewer" becomes "absolute...

2008-02-21T04:57:00.000+13:00

And the sooner "fewer and fewer" becomes "absolutely no one" the better................

Herbert Armstrong hasn't slipped away into obscuri...

2008-02-19T17:44:00.000+13:00

Herbert Armstrong hasn't slipped away into obscurity.

It's a matter of perspective, I'd say. Armstrongists and former Armstrongists are so close that they can find it hard to understand just how obscure and unknown Herbert Armstrong is. He always was much bigger in his own estimation, and is ours, than he ever was in most people's eyes. Most people have never heard of him, and as time goes on fewer and fewer people will have ever known of him.

Hopefully a lot of that traffic is from sites like...

2008-02-16T06:36:00.000+13:00

Hopefully a lot of that traffic is from sites like AW and Shadows and PT and ESN trying to warn people about Weinland. Could be the traffic is also from people who have heard Weinland speak on Whackjob Radio.....

Weinland is getting response, which is disturbing....

2008-02-16T04:35:00.000+13:00

Weinland is getting response, which is disturbing. According to Quantcast, which tracks internet websites, there were nearly 40,000 uniquely seperate visitors to Weinlands websites last month....

http://www.quantcast.com/ronaldweinland.com/traffic

Kookiness sells!

Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA USA

There are only 2 witnesses and I am both of them.

2008-02-16T04:16:00.000+13:00

There are only 2 witnesses and I am both of them.

THE 2 WITNESSES:"According to the latest findings,...

2008-02-16T04:11:00.000+13:00

THE 2 WITNESSES:

"According to the latest findings, there are 737 publicly announced "Two Witnesses". This is astonishing in itself in that there can be by definition, only "Two". It goes to show any reasonable individual that somethin here is awry."

JD Schroeder said: "Jim Jones, and that Heaven's G...

2008-02-16T03:42:00.000+13:00

JD Schroeder said: "Jim Jones, and that Heaven's Gate leadership, must have seemed fairly benign too, until it was too late."

Thank you! That's exactly what I've been saying, ever since I heard Rotten Ronnie started setting dates for 2008!

Weinland Watch. It's not much, and I'm not on the inside, but it's the best I can do.

As for Harrell inviting scrutiny, I believe he may be flying under the American feds' radar right now. Unfortunately for those of us trying to draw attention to Weinland's sect.

Tired Skeptic:Agreed! That was my reaction too.Ric...

2008-02-16T02:45:00.000+13:00

Tired Skeptic:

Agreed! That was my reaction too.

Richard

And when the criticism and furore have died down, ...

2008-02-16T01:57:00.000+13:00

And when the criticism and furore have died down, the false prophets tend to quietly slip away into obscurity.

Totally wrong headed: Herbert Armstrong hasn't slipped away into obscurity.

I believe everyone is over reacting to Weiland's p...

2008-02-15T22:30:00.000+13:00

I believe everyone is over reacting to Weiland's prophecies of the end of the world, and exhibiting a macabre wish that when they fail he might just come up with a devious plan to murder all his supporters in one final act of defiance; so that everyone will be able to say, "I told you so!" And this from people who claim to be sane, caring and compassionate.

Weiland is not unique in prophesying the end of the world. COG land, and much of the rest of the world for that matter, is littered with failed prophecies of the end of the world. And when the criticism and furore have died down, the false prophets tend to quietly slip away into obscurity.

There will always be the odd few who can't cope with the shame of failure, and would want and are able to persuade their followers to commit mass suicide. But these events are very rare! Actually, it may be argued, that the few who have been guilty of such atrocities, were partly driven to such madness by excessive media attention and the aggressive methods of the authorities in trying to rescue followers. So all the "do-gooders" out there need to be careful!

Weiland will come and Weiland will go, but the end of the world will come, "as a thief in he night," suddenly and unexpectedly upon those who walk in darkness, "and they shall not escape."

Corky said:>>>The fire and smoke of Mt. Sinai wasn...

2008-02-15T21:23:00.000+13:00

Corky said:

>>>The fire and smoke of Mt. Sinai wasn't real. It was the fire and smoke of Mt. Ararat that was the real volcano. It was in Armenia that the law was given to the Hebrews - at the foot of Mt. Ararat.<<<

When one is deceived one tends to believe anything, except the truth.

I wonder if Weinland's man in the USA, Johnny Harr...

2008-02-15T20:44:00.000+13:00

I wonder if Weinland's man in the USA, Johnny Harrell, is related to the Alfred Harrell mentioned in the issue No. 27, April 30, 1999 issue of the Journal.

There is a past history of WCG people and the mili...

2008-02-15T18:46:00.000+13:00

There is a past history of WCG people and the militias, both in Texas and Montana.

While I don't want to imply that there is no danger at all because of these connections, the feds do very carefully monitor all of these groups' activities, in fact much more so than they would just your garden variety of weirdo culties.

If in fact Weinland has brought someone from the Christian Patriot movement into his folds, he's defiantly inviting scrutiny! (which will work for good, in this case!)

Probably, the greatest danger or threat would be to people who later attempt to leave the fold. Blood in, blood out, as they say.

BB

About 10,000 years ago, the Hebrews who worshipped...

2008-02-15T16:44:00.000+13:00

About 10,000 years ago, the Hebrews who worshipped the volcano pantheon of gods at Mt. Ararat in Armenia left off that worship because of the volcano going dormant. (see the story of Noah's ark and where the ark landed).

They left Ararat and went into the plains and built a man-made mountain. (see the story of the tower of Babel). Then part of them went to Canaan.

Later, a man named Abraham felt the calling of a volcano toward the west and went to Canaan.

The fire and smoke of Mt. Sinai wasn't real. It was the fire and smoke of Mt. Ararat that was the real volcano. It was in Armenia that the law was given to the Hebrews - at the foot of Mt. Ararat.

Put 2 and 2 together and you can figure it out:

http://www.reference.com/search?q=Mt.%20Ararat

http://essenes.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=272&Itemid=574

Do the COGs have a "Waterhouse" to figure out numb...

2008-02-15T15:42:00.000+13:00

Do the COGs have a "Waterhouse" to figure out numbers and spray cleaner meanings ? Hmmm ...409 must mean something " Fantastic" and it was in a dream.It was my dream. I had spent all evening cleaning. Then checked this site as is my nightly routine.

"The trigger squirter was not working so he spraye...

2008-02-15T15:19:00.000+13:00

"The trigger squirter was not working so he sprayed WD40 on it to get it working!"

Are you sure it was not WWJD40?
That's the prophetic formula for cleaning up spills :)