Comments on Ambassador Watch: "A Sound SPANKING of what she so brazenly displays"

GTA (or Ron Dart, not sure) mentioned how a teache...

2008-07-26T15:12:00.000+12:00

GTA (or Ron Dart, not sure) mentioned how a teacher at an Imperial School had all the girls line up so he could measure their skirt length.

A friend mentioned how a minister's sermon featured a list of regulations relating to grooming (such as hair length, cosmetics) and appropriate attire. This was during the early 70s, when the cosmetics argument toggled. The next week, the same minister went through the list, substituting the rule with "there is no rule". At least the guy was honest enough to make light of these arbitrary regulations.

minister in RI once had all the women get up on th...

2008-07-25T14:40:00.000+12:00

minister in RI once had all the women get up on the stage and kneel down. If their knees showed they were sent home.

What a load of rubbish, the sad and scary thing is...

2008-07-25T08:52:00.000+12:00

What a load of rubbish, the sad and scary thing is that there is still men out there in the various Churches of God groups who still agree with all that.

What about doctors who have to see naked parts of womens bodies to help them? what about art students who learn to draw by doing life drawing classess of naked art models?

Its about maturity of the mind and not being obsessed with sex like a imature teenager.

Knees being exposed is near evil give me a break.
No wonder the is loads of older women who hate themselves in the church.
Its all about POWER. Power over others.

May Jesus Christ deliver His sheep to safer pastures.

Libro 66 said... Anonymous: /-- Too bad they threw...

2008-07-24T12:02:00.000+12:00

Libro 66 said...
Anonymous: /-- Too bad they threw HWA out of the church. --/

They did?? Well then, how come I had to sit through a must-play sermon this month (by Rod Meredith, as with nearly all must-plays) titled "Are We All the Same?"

That's a good question, why did you have to sit through that? Were you tied to the chair? Were the doors chained and locked? Or, were you just "afraid" not to sit through it?

Charlie, during a brief flitation with a semi-Open...

2008-07-23T10:42:00.000+12:00

Charlie, during a brief flitation with a semi-Open Door policy, it was reported that some wandering liberated ladies started fronting up for services. ("Open door" in that curious passers-by weren't barred from entery to services.)

I don't know if these ladies were informed (let along spanked) or just conformed, but after a few weeks they started wearing appropriate undergarments.

Anonymous: /-- Too bad they threw HWA out of the c...

2008-07-23T03:08:00.000+12:00

Anonymous: /-- Too bad they threw HWA out of the church. --/

They did?? Well then, how come I had to sit through a must-play sermon this month (by Rod Meredith, as with nearly all must-plays) titled "Are We All the Same?"

He had five main points -- in Roman numerals, no less -- explaining why LCG is superior to all other COGs:

I) Other COGs don't really live by every word of God (like Mr. Armstrong taught us).

II) They don't accept God's form of government (as given to us by Mr. Armstrong).

III) They (well, the other big COGs, anyway) don't truly emphasize doing the Work (which, according to Mr. Armstrong, means they aren't deeply converted).

IV) They don't really have a deep, abiding respect for and desire to follow Mr. Armstrong. (This is about where I nearly through my pen across the hall and went to the men's room.)

V) They don't really understand faith -- if they did, they would see that Mr. Armstrong was right and LCG is the group that is truly following him.

It was the most Armstrong-centric sermon I'd heard all year. But at least he also mentioned God the Father and Jesus Christ.

Six months ago, it was actually getting better -- the living Jesus Christ was actually getting more press than the deceased Herbert Armstrong. But now this. I thought we were supposed to Christians, not Armstrongites.

Libro

(By the way, as a kid in WCG, I always thought my mom was pretty -- even in the days of long skirts and no makeup. Style and fashion only augment the beauty that's already there.)

(And despite what others may naysay, the COGs still have a few good-looking gals -- my wife Libra is better-looking than any stock photo Living University would care to put up.)

I have never understood why armstrongism, and soci...

2008-07-22T23:27:00.000+12:00

I have never understood why armstrongism, and society at large (At least America / Canada) have always had such a problem with breasts and women's bodies? Why is a boob so threatening to society but it is perfectly okay to let Jr. watch blood, gore, and violence on the television? Why does a nice looking young lady need to be covered from her adams apple to her ankles at church but the ministurd can get up at the pulpit and paint the most violent of pictures to the congregation which is full of young children???

Black is white and up is down.

I've never had a nightmare or felt my way of life threatened because I happened to catch a glimpse (or more) of thigh or breast. I have had nightmares as a child and teen about that fictional tribulation.

Maybe the hippies had it right; make love not war!

Bob Thiel posted a picture of his wife in shorts l...

2008-07-22T10:50:00.000+12:00

Bob Thiel posted a picture of his wife in shorts last week. Knees and thighs ! Living is still far too "top down" and Herbalish for me, a liberal CG7.

Anonymous said... Living COG needs a good spanking...

2008-07-22T09:20:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...
Living COG needs a good spanking since they claim to be God's reps but they wink at the continual immodesty and embracing that goes on within its members and members'children. Too bad they threw HWA out of the church. As a result, many of their members and children are spiritually Sardician, I mean dead! And as a result, many are going back into the world's ways, and many of those children have embraced the ways of this world, the ways of death.

There is a name for those who think that it is immodest for a woman to wear nice clothes that are flattering to her figure.

"Dirty Old Man".

They didn't kick HWA out of the CoGs, the dirty-minded, perverted, doomsaying old codger finally kicked the bucket (although he prophesied himself that he would still be alive when Jesus came back).

He was wrong starting out and he was wrong all the way to the grave in his prophecies. Why would anyone in their right mind still worship the ground he walked on?

There's something to be said for modesty, and soci...

2008-07-22T07:59:00.000+12:00

There's something to be said for modesty, and society isn't saying it. For Godliness in everyday life one must seek guidelines, hopefully at home, and in churches and synagogues. Paul expected as much, "I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety."

To be fair, this is one of the things HWA got right. I have to take Adele's side on this one. There's no credibility in the jaded position that everything HWA and company did was wrong.

Living COG needs a good spanking since they claim ...

2008-07-22T05:30:00.000+12:00

Living COG needs a good spanking since they claim to be God's reps but they wink at the continual immodesty and embracing that goes on within its members and members'children. Too bad they threw HWA out of the church. As a result, many of their members and children are spiritually Sardician, I mean dead! And as a result, many are going back into the world's ways, and many of those children have embraced the ways of this world, the ways of death.

I remember a minister making some obscure analogy ...

2008-07-22T00:18:00.000+12:00

I remember a minister making some obscure analogy of the Kingdom (or something along that line) to a woman's breast. He blurted this gem out at a "singles" Bible Study, consisting of about a dozen young guys and one girl of ample proportions.

HWA would have to contend with our Sue Bradford if...

2008-07-21T14:48:00.000+12:00

HWA would have to contend with our Sue Bradford if he tried to have a woman spanked.Today,this is litigious stuff,and was probably then, even in the good ole USA.

And this action is not even getting to the seat of the problem, either.

Wonder what Spanky would say about this?

Jorgheinz

If his mind did all that when he looked at women, ...

2008-07-21T13:50:00.000+12:00

If his mind did all that when he looked at women, it only confirms to me that he was one sick puppy.

I'm surprised we didn't have to wear burkas...

All right Gavin, I'll re-phrase my post although t...

2008-07-21T03:29:00.000+12:00

All right Gavin, I'll re-phrase my post although the original post can be found at http://meek-and-quiet.blogspot.com/2006/12/public-vs-private-women.html.

Why do the the most unattractive women have an issue with the public display of the female body?

As for HWA's comments, well, we all know what was on his mind.

Richard

Adele wrote:And please in reading these remarks do...

2008-07-21T02:33:00.000+12:00

Adele wrote:

And please in reading these remarks do not think that I had it easy in the "church" I didn't as I was publicly marked back in the '80s from the pulpit and lost most of my friends. My situation made me fodor for abuse by the ministry to the point of being accused of being a lesbian which was the lowest to them because I complained of an abusive husband for years. If I didn't like my husband then I MUST be a lesbian, right? Stands to reason!

Adele,

I hate to sound like Dr Laura but why would you return to an abusive Church?

The similarities between the behavior of abusive husbands and the abusive ministry are uncanny.

Not all abuse is physical in nature. If I can think of one thing over the years that the WCG has bragged about, is the idea "we're not as awful as we once were".

"Remember D&R?".

"Remember when we couldn't wear makeup?"

"Remember when we had to sit thru 4 hours of sermons on Holy Days?"

"Remember when they made young kids fast on Atonement".

Our memories are always of the awful things we once had to do.

I am curious what did GTA say about adultery. I am...

2008-07-21T01:42:00.000+12:00

I am curious what did GTA say about adultery. I am sure it was limited at best.
I wonder what the dress code of the number of women he had adulterous affairs was????

The approach to human sexuality was and still is f...

2008-07-21T00:49:00.000+12:00

The approach to human sexuality was and still is fairly pathetic in most churches. Women have to struggle not to be whores and men have to watch out not falling into the "shocking truth about queer men" trap.

Righteous men protest too much and repressed and controlled women rarely stand up for themselves and tell men that how she dresses is none of their business.

Sometimes the balance on a "problem" is like riding a bicycle. When you feel the bike beginning to fall over, you turn into the direction of the fall. If you don't, you'll crash.

Like so many topics, disallowing it, avoiding, shielding, correcting and even writing long letters pointing it all out causes one to become more aware of it as a "problem." I have never believed that any man was nearly as offended as he let on to be. If a minister, he is suposed to be offended for God but I doubt he is. God could care less. He's watched humans slaughter humans for thousands of years. Body parts aren't much of an issue for "him"

I remember the "attack speech" I sat through where a guy tacked a centerfold on the lecturn and then preceeded to yell and shout, while telling us all to "look at this...this is an abomination to God." Ummmm, yeah right. We laughed our asses off, praised God for the beauty of women and wondered if the guy would every be allowed to attend church again.

I think the men in Gods church should have been gi...

2008-07-20T18:19:00.000+12:00

I think the men in Gods church should have been given blinders so that they could control their "lusts" if the view bothered them so darn much.
Also, if your eye offendeth thee.. they could have plucked them out!

I think the spanking bit was his lust gone wild frankly. HWA's reaction to women is bordering on hysteria.
If something like a hemline makes you so hysterical there has to be a reason behind it.

Check out "A Stranger Among Us," starring Melanie ...

2008-07-20T15:25:00.000+12:00

Check out "A Stranger Among Us," starring Melanie Griffith.

"This article is heavy handed in its approach howe...

2008-07-20T13:28:00.000+12:00

"This article is heavy handed in its approach however, there is common sense attached."

I agree. It is written for a different era, and it's no wonder that strong words against "showing the whole knee" would be laughed at in a society now where the standards are of a much different ilk.

Let's face it, the birds and the bees apply equall...

2008-07-20T12:46:00.000+12:00

Let's face it, the birds and the bees apply equally to both sexes. Men and women will dress in such a manner as to be attractive to one another. It's only natural. Whether it's the woman with the short tight skirt and low top, or the guy in form fitting shirt, the top three buttons unbuttoned, tight jeans with no underwear, you have a typical primal mating situation ongoing. Cosmetics and perfume for the ladies, the guy smelling like he took a bath in Musk, or something with a similar reputation.

Dancing so that the guys know how you fight, and the gals know how you are in bed. People spending lots of time in the gym to be ready for vigorous sexual activity.

After marriage, in social situations it continues. Power couples being admired for their trophies, who are sitting right next to one another.

Personally, I don't believe that the people in the church deliberately behaved in the manner I just described above. I believe they simply wanted to dress in clothing which helped them feel positively about themselves.

Hubble Dubble and his spankings surely made any number of people's lives hell on earth, though.

BB

"Candidly, when I see a woman with a skirt tight e...

2008-07-20T11:55:00.000+12:00

"Candidly, when I see a woman with a skirt tight enough to call attention to the shape of her hips, especially when tight below the hips and under the buttocks, I know that she is either careless and needs sharp admonishing or else she is wearing it deliberately to attract male eyes and arouse lust toward her in men's minds."

Including Dorothy, Herb?

Right on, Adele.A woman's public display of all he...

2008-07-20T09:31:00.000+12:00

Right on, Adele.

A woman's public display of all her charms does not always lead where she wants to go:

http://meek-and-quiet.blogspot.com/2006/12/public-vs-private-women.html

C'mon guys, everyone knows that men can get turned...

2008-07-20T08:33:00.000+12:00

C'mon guys, everyone knows that men can get turned on if a girl is wearing a cardboard box! Personally, I enjoy seeing women wear clothes that flatter them-instead of seeing them wear-gangsta style clothes-if you get my point!God doesn't say hide every inch of your body-nor does He say show it all-there is a limit and I believe each person knows their own limits. So, I agree with you, Rodroid...
---Cap'n Jack btw-I thought creases were what you put in papers!