Comments on Ambassador Watch: The Chicken Little Gospel

Anonymous said... Hello. I am a [chair warmer] at...

2008-09-23T12:16:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...

Hello. I am a [chair warmer] at UCG and I [thought I heard somewhere, sometime, from somebody (or maybe just another nobody)] that people are being given AID[S] all over the world by those who [warm chairs] at UCG. [Used] water, [one old] blanket, [and pre-warmed] chairs, just to name [the very, very] FEW works [supposedly] being done by these brethren [in lieu of actually obeying God's commandments.]

Anonymous Daydreamer,

Welcome to this blog. As long as you are careful to do all your posting here anonymously--so that the UCG does not figure out who you are--you might be able to continue to warm a chair in the UCG and imagine that somebody there at some time supposedly did something good somewhere.

"I am an attendee at services at UCG and I am awar...

2008-09-23T10:53:00.000+12:00

"I am an attendee at services at UCG and I am aware that people are being given aid all over the world by those who attend services at UCG."

Two questions.

1) Who receives this aid- UCG members/potential members or the world at large?

2)Who finances this aid- UCG members via tithe or extra contributions sent in to UCG HQ?

Paul Ray

Hello. I am an attendee at services at UCG and I ...

2008-09-22T15:01:00.000+12:00

Hello. I am an attendee at services at UCG and I am aware that people are being given aid all over the world by those who attend services at UCG. Clean water, blankets, wheelchairs, monetary aid for storm victims, schooling, cattle for reproducing in poor countries, just to name a FEW of the works being done by these brethren and all these glorify the Great God whom they serve. There are brethren in the other churches of God, too, that set fine examples.

Anonymous said... Hold on guys, did or did not Uni...

2008-09-22T14:41:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...

Hold on guys, did or did not United COG vote for their President and Vice President and so on?

Anonymous,

NO, NO, NO!!!

The UCG's so-called "ministers" do NOT vote. They ballot. Get it???

This is like some states that wanted lotteries and casinos, but gambling had been outlawed. Since gambling was illegal, they just called what they were doing gaming rather than gambling.

But wait. You ain't seen nothing yet. The so-called "ministers" and "members" in the UCG don't want to behave properly at all. To get around that little problem the UCG just calls good, evil; and calls evil, good.

Ha! So my memory's only partially gone!That's grea...

2008-09-22T02:59:00.000+12:00

Ha! So my memory's only partially gone!

That's great.........

Luke 1:41And it happened when Elizabeth heard the ...

2008-09-21T11:55:00.000+12:00

Luke 1:41
And it happened when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb.

>>Dunno where I picked up the "John lea...

2008-09-21T10:54:00.000+12:00

>>Dunno where I picked up the "John leaped in the womb" from.

You heard it from Luke 1:41: "And it happened when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb".

I am a member of a political party but only ever voted once. To be honest, I am too busy trying to determine the truth on religious matters than to get caught up in political debates.

"Only three people in the Bible ever claimed to be...

2008-09-21T08:08:00.000+12:00

"Only three people in the Bible ever claimed to be called from the womb in the Bible. Jeremiah, Jesus and Paul :)"

Very good I stand corrected. :-)

Dunno where I picked up the "John leaped in the womb" from and I am entirely too lazy to waste any more of a beautiful Saturday hunting such extraneous information down. :-)

Burgers retorted:"Learn more about the United COG ...

2008-09-21T07:05:00.000+12:00

Burgers retorted:
"Learn more about the United COG voting process before making blind assumptions. The members did NOT vote."

You might want to learn more about the UCG voting process yourself, Burgers. I relish the fact that you can't cut the mustard :-)

The facts are that the UCG members DO vote, but they are not the people you have been duped into believing they are. In the UCG the only members are the mythters. Are the rest of you do not have any legal standing or claim of being a part of that corporation. You are classed simply as contributors; i.e. a source of income to be used by the REAL members in any way they choose. You are providing them with a very comfortable, and for a few, luxurious, lifestyle. "Thank gawd for these idiots", is, I'm sure, a part of their daily prayers.

You might also want to see what the bible says about such men. Paul claimed he was not like them when he said in 2 Cor.2:17 that he didn't peddle the gospel for profit (like a cheap carnival huckster) (check out the original Greek) like so many others.

"These men may not have been democrats [sic], but ...

2008-09-21T06:12:00.000+12:00

"These men may not have been democrats [sic], but they were all politicians to one extent or the other."

Why not include Republicans as well? Or are they not politicians?

"They hire and promote their own, they fire those ...

2008-09-21T05:01:00.000+12:00

"They hire and promote their own, they fire those who disagree, and they bask in incompetence."

If you'll take a more objective look at it, you'll see that this applies to both the Right and the Left. It's politics.

Paul Ray

And then Elijah goes and slaughters them at the wa...

2008-09-21T04:46:00.000+12:00

And then Elijah goes and slaughters them at the water's edge.

Love the violence.

burgers said:"Hold on guys, did or did not United ...

2008-09-21T03:51:00.000+12:00

burgers said:
"Hold on guys, did or did not United COG vote for their President and Vice President and so on?

You mean now it is ok to vote inside your church but not outside. Who is the hypocrite now!"

Learn more about the United COG voting process before making blind assumptions. The members did NOT vote.

Anonymous did not say it was members who voted that was your blind assumption. Anonymous said the United COG voted. I will help Anonymous out on this one and make it plain and simply for you burgers. THEY VOTED. Here is a hint when you take off your rose colored glasses remove the scales as well.

Having held political office, thinking I could ser...

2008-09-21T03:44:00.000+12:00

Having held political office, thinking I could serve as a good example, I can tell you that voting is trying to make a decision based on lies. I knew people that ran political campaigns for governor and congress. Political campaigns have people who run them that do nothing but determine what to say to get their candidate elected, or their issue passed. "There is no truth, there is only perception" is their code. They have people whose full time jobs are "The care and feeding of the press". They lead the press to find out what they want them to find out and away from things that would hurt their campaign. I really have to laugh when I see people in heated political debates, debating which lie is true. The first casuality of any war is the truth. What is said in political campaigns has nothing to do with what will be done once the person is in office, or the issue is passed. The people in the churches of God are right not to get involved in the scam.

Mel, Mel, Mel, I luv ya man. But you gotta be kidd...

2008-09-21T03:03:00.000+12:00

Mel, Mel, Mel, I luv ya man. But you gotta be kiddin me!!

There is only one "extremist" in this election, and that is Barack Hussein Obama.

He is at least a Marxist (no question about that), and may even be a closet Moslem. There is alot of talk about cults on this website, but Islam is the world's largest and most dangerous Satanic cult.

If you wish to perform a miracle in your Church wi...

2008-09-21T02:31:00.000+12:00

If you wish to perform a miracle in your Church with the leadership there are two voting styles that work only after they reach a certain tipping point.

1. Voting with your feet because gone are days when being put out of the true church was an emotional and spiritual death sentence or a way to get one to see the errors of their way.

2. Vote with your money because gone are the days when they can tell you that you have to tithe to be a member.

You'd be surprised how quickly God and Jesus inspire new truth to come to the surface.

A third way may also be to simply tell those who tell you how it all is to mind their own business.

Purp said:"We see in the Bible men like Paul being...

2008-09-21T01:29:00.000+12:00

Purp said:

"We see in the Bible men like Paul being set apart from the womb."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that John who "leaped in the womb"?"

Paul, as opposed to Luke's Damascus road event said,

Gal 1 : 15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so.."

Only three people in the Bible ever claimed to be called from the womb in the Bible. Jeremiah, Jesus and Paul :)

Annon: I agree...Government as Theocracy is a nightmare. You know, The Wonderful World Tomorrow under the COG heirarchy. A fellow just told me he learned at his church that if he gives his girlfriend love, she then gives him respect...great basis for a relationship. Ideas like that and a lot worse of course.

Hi Mel!Thanks for the offer of introduction. I’m s...

2008-09-21T00:48:00.000+12:00

Hi Mel!

Thanks for the offer of introduction. I’m sure the bearded hippie lady has a nice doobie, but I think I’ll pass on that one. You are absolutely right; you’ve got to keep a sense of humor. Some of the COGers that post here anonymously take themselves way too seriously. Would anybody accuse Ron Weinland or William Dankenbring of taking themselves way too seriously?

For those who are reading this thread and did not know what Mel was referring to, he is referring to the following excerpt from my unpublished essay, “My reflections on the Worldwide Church of God: 1972 in Prophecy – God’s Practical Joke?” that I have been publishing periodically here on AW in excerpts:

A Chosen People – A Peculiar People For Sure

Third, in retrospect, the Church seemed to attract some of the strangest and “fringe” members of society. To mention a few, I remember “the Rockefeller lady”. She believed Nelson Rockefeller controlled the whole world and was head of a secret organization known as “The Illuminati”. The belief was that this secret organization was trying to establish a new world government with Rockefeller as its head dictator. I remember a lady from West Virginia who took the Church’s ban against the use of cosmetics one step further. Apparently, she didn’t believe women should be attractive at all – so she didn’t believe in shaving her legs! Grossly protruding out from under her dresses were the hairiest legs you’ve ever seen rivaling any of the ape characters in the movie Planet of the Apes.

End of Excerpt

If Christ ignored decades of HWA and his minions preaching a false 1972 end time prophecy, do you really think Christ cares whether you walk into a voting booth? Didn’t Christ vote himself by not returning to earth on HWA’s false timetable? Oh, I guess that would be scoffing, but I meant it as an observation.

Richard

"A do nothing religion is a government's dream com...

2008-09-20T18:48:00.000+12:00

"A do nothing religion is a government's dream come true. While the fundamentalists are craving the Second Coming, the realists can take advantage of the moment."

That is not quite the case, the US government is dominated by Evangelicals and look at what Palin has done in Alaska!

These folks do not want a "do nothing" religion they want to CRAM their beliefs down the throats of everyone in the States.

They hire and promote their own, they fire those who disagree, and they bask in incompetence.

Yep... the religious right believes in voting; so they can control the courts, control government institutions and control your life.

The believe "Swift Boating" those who don't agree is morally acceptable.

And "Swift Boating" the Churches of God is part of the game...

Richard, would you vote for making female's leg-ha...

2008-09-20T18:39:00.000+12:00

Richard, would you vote for making female's leg-hair and arm-pit hair illegal?

If so there's a bearded hippie-lady I'd like you to meet. She'll hit you over the head with her big doobie.

Just teasing, Richard, no harm intended.
I had noticed past comments you'd made about hair, on women, that you indicated shouldn't be there.

IMO, election season calls out for some comic relief, at times.

~Mel

Wow! after one decides that it's a good idea to vo...

2008-09-20T18:20:00.000+12:00

Wow!
after one decides that it's a good idea to vote(I saw some arguments about that here) I suppose the next question is WHO to vote for.

I think there might be more than a few arguments about that, lol!

Here in the states I'll probably vote for Obama/Biden, since I find Palin to be an extremist kook and don't want to see her anywhere near the White House.

~Mel

There are quite a few UCG members I know that vote...

2008-09-20T14:58:00.000+12:00

There are quite a few UCG members I know that vote in elections. Whatever the party line, there are plenty who did not feel the need to follow it to a "T."

To the person who claimed UCG votes for its leader...

2008-09-20T14:43:00.000+12:00

To the person who claimed UCG votes for its leaders:

Now, now -- they don't vote in UCG. They ballot.

You understand the difference, don't you?

Well, don't you?

"Hold on guys, did or did not United COG vote for ...

2008-09-20T14:19:00.000+12:00

"Hold on guys, did or did not United COG vote for their President and Vice President and so on?

You mean now it is ok to vote inside your church but not outside. Who is the hypocrite now!"

Learn more about the United COG voting process before making blind assumptions. The members did NOT vote.

"Scoffing carries a certain vindictive and mocking...

2008-09-20T12:11:00.000+12:00

"Scoffing carries a certain vindictive and mocking baggage."

And that's the only reason the CoGers hurl the word, Dennis, you answered your own question.

Oops. I meant "Paulus". ;-)

"You're dealing with people who woke up and realize one has to be basically unconscious to keep up the charade of "soon."

Interesting you should choose that phrasing, Paulus, I am in much sympathetic agreement with it.

"One man's scoffer is another's lifeline out of insanity and foolishness."

Well, we try our best, despite everything hurled at us. Eh what Paulus?? ;-)

"We see in the Bible men like Paul being set apart from the womb."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that John who "leaped in the womb"? Paul was this guy.

Helps to keep the mythological figures portrayed in the allegories straight I find. A bit difficult since they all seem to blend together after a while --- but maybe that's the point.

"To say that we can or should do nothing and just wait for god to fix everything is childish. It is dumb. It avoids taking any responsibility for what happens in your community, large or small."

And it keeps those tithe dollars rolling in!!

"blah blah blah guy on a donkey blah blah blah I can translate Aramaic ain't I cool "The rest is history."

You mean allegory. Not history. But no worse politics are to be found, than the politics amongst the Levitical priesthood and those lay-Levites, in a Church of God congregation. The men clawed, scratched, and fought, for the privilege of not having to "give to gawd", and the women were good little SS operatives, reporting all suspect activity directly back to their Gestapo husbands.

Oh wait, that's not much of a democracy after all, now is it?

"Yes, I plan on voting this year for the first time in my life. I will stand for what I believe!! and like Christ and many others in the Bible I will not deny my beliefs any longer."

Good for you anonymous! Congratulations on taking the first most important step, and beginning to think for yourself.

"I expect some respect now from you guys and a contribution. Send it in."

Right! Would you like your snakeskin wallets by the bulk or simply by the dozen, Dennis? ;-)