Comments on Ambassador Watch: Herbraic memorabilia

Something amusing happened at services yesterday ....

2007-04-16T07:14:00.000+12:00

Something amusing happened at services yesterday ... the person being introduced for the closing prayer ... a sermonette giver in the xcg will give the closing prayer
I turned to my significant other and said, "Did I just hear what I thought I heard?"
I almost laughed outloud!

What's even more amazing was that bid was an autom...

2007-04-14T12:00:00.000+12:00

What's even more amazing was that bid was an automated EBAY snipe in the last 30 seconds of bidding when the previous bid was around $120.

Somebody wanted that really bad!

Yikes!The final winning bid for the $TP project wa...

2007-04-13T03:40:00.000+12:00

Yikes!

The final winning bid for the $TP project was US $202.50.
After looking at my own collection of 60's memorabilia, maybe I can afford to buy that Toyota Hybrid after all.

b^2

Questerek,The STP on GTA's site is almost identica...

2007-04-11T12:54:00.000+12:00

Questerek,
The STP on GTA's site is almost identical to the origional. A causual reading would not even to appear to be different. That is why i wondered why Herb had such a tizzy over it.
rod 2

Wow!STP latest bid $78.50.And to think that I was ...

2007-04-11T10:50:00.000+12:00

Wow!
STP latest bid $78.50.

And to think that I was about
throw an original copy in the trash
while cleaning out my basement storage area recently. Guess I
will have to scan it and offer it
to Gavin and/or John over at the PT site.

Too bad I threw out so many other
precious WCG artifacts over the years--before there was an Ebay.

Systematic Theology Project appeared, and still ap...

2007-04-09T09:29:00.000+12:00

Systematic Theology Project appeared, and still appears on the Intercontinental Church of God website, although it has now got a bit of a low profile.

Does anyone know if this is the same as the original STP project?

Dennis said that "HWA, not being a part of it directly and Ted on the verge of self destruction, squashed it."

I always thought GTA was one of the main people pushing STP, and the fact it followed him around on his various web sites seems to add weight to that.

Does anyone know? Just curious.

If you are in the US watch the latest episode of S...

2007-04-09T03:58:00.000+12:00

If you are in the US watch the latest episode of South Park on Comedy Central. The Pope is a rabbit.

That arm band reminds me of the SUPER DEACONS in C...

2007-04-09T03:15:00.000+12:00

That arm band reminds me of the SUPER DEACONS in COG congregations.
What bunch of %^&*#!

Well I have an autographed copy of HWA autobiography 1967. Does anyone want to buy it? It is a hard copy and I have it for sale.
Please tell Flurry.

Somebody Thought Progressively.But, alas, apparent...

2007-04-08T10:08:00.000+12:00

Somebody Thought Progressively.

But, alas, apparently somebody else did not appreciate an opportunity for discussion and growth, so they decided to stick with the original questionable programming. Such thinking is still prevalent today in certain circles, and for certain people of certain mindsets.

BB

STP=Something Truly Positive =So That's Progress...

2007-04-08T09:28:00.000+12:00

STP=Something Truly Positive
=So That's Progress
=Some Thought Perverse
=Suddenly Turned Poopy
Amen

STP - Slowly Turning Protestant

2007-04-08T05:39:00.000+12:00

STP - Slowly Turning Protestant

Did seller offer the armband to Flurry?? Might b...

2007-04-08T01:07:00.000+12:00

Did seller offer the armband to Flurry?? Might be worth a try considering the price he paid for some other items at the auction.

"Untidy minds make the best theologians".Absolutel...

2007-04-08T00:26:00.000+12:00

"Untidy minds make the best theologians".

Absolutely. The tidy mind that outgrow the box have two choices. Leave the profession or teach it, never to return to a congregation because they won't understand.

A liberal and open mind promotes growth and new perspectives, usually the expense of the one with the open mind. They don't end up speaking their truth in groups of tidy minded conservatives. I'm not sure a tidy conservative mind ever go burned at the stake, but probably one lit the sticks.

A conservative and tidy mind promotes sameness, especially in religion for, as said before, religion thrives on sameness, tradition and the old old unchanging story literalized.

Tidy liberal minds get us to the moon and down the rabbit hole of quantum physics and what is matter, light, energy, consciousness and a human brain. They see possibilites.

A tidy conservative mind gets our taxes done properly, things built right, and good ideas about things that might just be as they are or need to stay the same for them. They see threats to sameness.

Church denominations tend to sort out by personality and these two types of minds, or better yet...thinking. When one kind finds themselves in the others turf, that's where we have "discussions." It's what fuels these postings. It's why neither side is convinced by the others perspectives. And it's all ok. The trick is to respect the type of people we all are and it's always going to be different. There are 16 basic personality types on the planet so what we perceive is a need to convince or stay unconvinced is probably more a function of the hard wiring in the first place. It takes 16 different types of personalities to get keeps the world from being completely nuts and singularly insane.

"Herbraic Memorabilia". Very subtle.May I suggest ...

2007-04-07T16:36:00.000+12:00

"Herbraic Memorabilia". Very subtle.

May I suggest an alternative rendition..."Herbraic Memorabilious".

A Nonny Mouse

Charlie:I have my book being edited at the moment ...

2007-04-07T13:11:00.000+12:00

Charlie:
I have my book being edited at the moment called, for now, "Born Again...Again" (or All Over Again,) Originally it was going to be "From Pastor to Bastard" but I got too many reminders I was a Bastard forjust being a Pastor and there was nothing to go from...to.

It's not so much about my COG experience. Others had done that much better than I could have. Mine is more about my personal belief tranformation from good boy to skeptic and hopefully a more fully grounded human being in a real and not religious sense. I have no personal use for any organized theology as by nature it can't be correct in a group setting and allows no room for growth or change.

Frankly, my COG experience wore me out emotionally, physically and spiritually. It has been costly and painful in many areas. Last week "old friends" shunned me when they saw me at the desk at the hospital, again. I get tired of that though now it more amuses me than offends.

I am not willing to trade the peace and quiet for another ringing phone being blamed for things that were not my doing and having to learn the hard way that when the Tkaches said yes it meant no and no meant yes. I was so stupid and frozen in place at the same time.

Things just are as they are now and while I have deep regrets over roads not taken and more rewarding careers no longer available, I don't miss the drama.

The title reflects the journey. How I got here is becoming less and less important to me. When I write my last post, I'll know I have dropped feeling any need to identify my self with my past. It's not who I was or am.

Neotherm,The extensive archive went to Meredith an...

2007-04-07T12:36:00.001+12:00

Neotherm,
The extensive archive went to Meredith and the then GCG.I believe it was 5-6 years ago. Some were asked to destroy the archive and they loaded up the trucks and went to San Diego and gave it to Meredith. I heard it ended up in Wyoming though. Don't know for sure but since Wyoming is a small state and not much Gcg/lcg members, it should not take too much to find out.
rod 2

"Anonymous" says those armbands spawned little Hit...

2007-04-07T12:36:00.000+12:00

"Anonymous" says those armbands spawned little Hitlers.Amen, to that.Supervisor of the Festival carpark,with outstretched arm pointing the way.

I am sure that many AW readers with German ancestry had rellies who wore the real thing.

Genuine armbands awarded by the BIG boss,der Fuehrer himself.

I could offer the armbands of a genuine SS Lieutenant General, if I knew where they were.This was real power..this guy had charge of 250,000 inmates/slaves/prisoners at one time.

jorgheinz

Gavin,with the official title of blog "Moderator",...

2007-04-07T12:01:00.000+12:00

Gavin,with the official title of blog "Moderator", are you not following in the steps of at least one of the mainstream churches who employ that title ?

Aye,and all that.

"Untidy minds make the best theologians".

Perhaps untidy minds are multi-dimensional, whereas tidy minds have a narrow focus.These latter are not the innovators,the thinkers who have given society its broad range of physical and "spiritual"(not religious) benefits.Every one has a soul and in this respect they are spiritual.

Tidy minds tend to work within squares and oblongs,whereas untidy ones indulge in circles and ellipses.

jorgheinz

When you try to systematise theology,somebody star...

2007-04-07T11:27:00.001+12:00

When you try to systematise theology,somebody starts up a new church because they cannot agree with the dictum,the dogma and didactics that are being spewed forth.

Luther's nailed treatises opened up a can, oops, a trial of Worms.

And yes, the STP,was in hindsight,an oxy-MORON","guidance" for gullibles who do not want to think or are in capable of doing so.

While I think the WCG STP was a good idea at the t...

2007-04-07T11:01:00.000+12:00

While I think the WCG STP was a good idea at the time, I'm also convinced that "systematic theology" is an oxymoron.

The Bible was written over millennia and forcing Christian belief into some kind of plastic-coated box ignores all those "creative tensions." Calvinists and chartered accountants may get a buzz out of lining up their proof texts in neat rows, but that comes at huge cost.

Which is, perhaps, why I still prefer Luther (warts 'n all) over that thin-lipped little Frenchman Calvin. Untidy thinkers make the best theologians. :)

To this day, Armstrongites have never produced a S...

2007-04-07T10:18:00.000+12:00

To this day, Armstrongites have never produced a Sysematic Theology. All they have is a collection of booklets and articles. The closest thing they have to a work of Systematic Theologoy is HWA's book "The Mystery of the Ages."

I believe that if a group of them ever sat down and really tried to develop an ST, the people involved would abandon Armstrongism. The perpetuation of Armstrongism is directly related to staying on the surface of the Bible and not looking too closely. My guess is that there will never be an Armstrongite Systematic Theology because it would be toxic to that belief system.

-- Neo

Thanks for the explanation Dennis!Sorry about your...

2007-04-07T08:50:00.000+12:00

Thanks for the explanation Dennis!

Sorry about your retirement. Perhaps you can author a book on the WCG years from a former minister's perspective.

charlie kieran said... What exactly was the System...

2007-04-07T08:16:00.000+12:00

charlie kieran said...
What exactly was the Systematic Theology Project? I had never heard of it before

It was a relatively sincere attempt to right the obviously foolish and shortsighted applications of "Bible Truth" to practical living and experiences.

It addressed such things as , tithing-all three, healing and anointing vs. healthcare, make-up, and divorce and remarriage. I am sure I forget a few other topics.

It was one of the brighter moments where a church stood at a practical crossroads of common sense Biblical applications. However, HWA, not being a part of it directly and Ted on the verge of self destruction, squashed it. Satan and libersals got the blame. We went to a 3 week reindoctrination program where I should have known better and left while I was young. After that, WCG never had another genuine chance to grow up until the Tkaches came along and reinvented the wheel in Jesus name amen...Reckless change and imploding seems rather fruitless as well, so it all worked out the same again only better.

It's really the story of Satan thinking he could knock God off His throne, again, and having to be thrown back down to earth where he belonged. I'm gonna get a career where whenever I screw up, I can blame Satan and have lots of verses to back me up. That's like the perfect situation for a CEO.

What exactly was the Systematic Theology Project? ...

2007-04-07T05:33:00.000+12:00

What exactly was the Systematic Theology Project? I had never heard of it before. Does anyone know what it contained? That will probably go a long way to explain why herbie wanted it destroyed.

Looks like Mike Germano has the top bid so far. W...

2007-04-07T05:22:00.000+12:00

Looks like Mike Germano has the top bid so far. Will the old STP be incorporated into the LU curriculum?