Comments on Ambassador Watch: The Waddle Factor

"Sin" is a religious concept, Bert, and ...

2009-12-20T20:40:15.634+13:00

"Sin" is a religious concept, Bert, and has nothing to do with real life. The law of sin and death in the Bible is baloney, one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.

People just need to grow up and face the fact that death is the consequence of mortality, not sin or any other ridiculous religious taboo.

"I remember paying close attention to Waterho...

2009-12-20T17:16:00.080+13:00

"I remember paying close attention to Waterhouse the last feast I attended where by coincidence I had the misfortune to have him for multiple services."

You wouldn't have wanted to be at my home Feast location the year we had Waterhouse AND Spanky, Anon; I can even remember the evangelical protester busting in the doors, screaming at Gerald that "You're going to Hell!"

Waterhouse didn't even bat an eye. He just continued rambling, interspersing it with "And he says I'm going to hell. Brethren if you'll turn with me to..." (I forget the verse. Think he was waxing ineloquent about the Kingdomal governance hierarchy again, IIRC.)

Leonardo: "The secret to such a perfect life ...

2009-12-20T11:52:24.339+13:00

Leonardo: "The secret to such a perfect life is simple, Bert: an extremely poor memory!!"

My life is complete. I've managed to elicit a short response from Leonardo!

Wow!

anonseven21

bert: "What is your perception of a sinner wh...

2009-12-20T11:44:57.082+13:00

bert: "What is your perception of a sinner when you say you are not a sinner? Does this mean you are a perfect human being without any mistakes and everything you do makes a positive contribution in your human existence? You have never made a wrong move, never broken any laws, never did anything that caused harm, never lost your temper, have perfect control in your life, nothing you do causes illness hurt or pain, and if it wasn’t for all the things other people do you would live forever?
How have you managed to accomplish such a life? What is the secret for accomplishing such a life?"

I break laws from time to time. Laws I respect and recognize. Good stuff happens, bad stuff happens.

Sin? Nope. Archaic concept pushed on us by a tribe of illiterate sheep herders from many centuries ago trying to explain things they were not sufficiently educated enough to explain.

I'm active in making my actions be as positive as I can to my family and friends. In this life, in the here and now. I'll gladly say it again, I deny the holy spirit.

Retired Prof: "And Larry, the impression I got from Waterhouse was that the "eternity of fulfillment, joy, liberty, and happiness" in the Kingdom of Heaven would involve listening to Waterhouse."

Wow, that would be agony. I remember paying close attention to Waterhouse the last feast I attended where by coincidence I had the misfortune to have him for multiple services. He certainly had a vivid imagination to go with his hyperactive ego.

The church should hang it's head in shame for promoting and sending him around the world preaching absolute and utter nonsense.

anonseven21

Anonymous asked: "First how could a person e...

2009-12-20T09:15:18.677+13:00

Anonymous asked:

"First how could a person enjoy something before birth? Second does a person enjoy something after death? Third does time and space allow for anything historical to be undone?"

I don't know the answers to the second and third (and I'm not sure how the third even applies), but the first question I can do.

I admire the attitude of a friend of mine who says the key to happiness is "Lower your standards." In that frame, enjoyment is any contrast to misery. So although it's true that I can't remember anything resembling ecstasy before birth, I also don't recall ever having to clear the snow off my driveway, or undergo a root canal, or sit through a sermon by Gerald Waterhouse. Oblivion might not offer much, but it's a hell of an improvement over stuff like that.

And Larry, the impression I got from Waterhouse was that the "eternity of fulfillment, joy, liberty, and happiness" in the Kingdom of Heaven would involve listening to Waterhouse. A lot.

Relief from blizzards and dental procedures would not compensate. Not even close.

"Sounds like the false concept of 'hell&#...

2009-12-20T04:11:17.463+13:00

"Sounds like the false concept of 'hell' is still buried deep in our contributors."

I was the anon making the comment.

I was being facetious towards Larry's remarks about "hell". I do not believe in that false concept of "hell". I have never believed in that false concept of "hell". Further, I WILL NEVER believe in that false concept of "hell".

I am aligned with the verses you have quoted.

"This thread has gone off course. Am I ever g...

2009-12-20T04:06:04.432+13:00

"This thread has gone off course. Am I ever going to get a list of "the unethical practices of the radicals"?"

I AGREE

Question for Anonymous What are “the unethical pr...

2009-12-19T11:51:49.482+13:00

Question for Anonymous
What are “the unethical practices of the radicals"?
What determines the radicals? I am familiar with the “radical reformation” which includes the Anabaptists, spiritualists, and evangelical rationalist, but this doesn’t seem to fit UCG. Are the radicals the ones that wanted to go back to what they perceive to be the original WCG mentality or are they the ones who recognize that the world has changed and there needs to be some adjusting to those changes?
I think ethics in WCG was a matter of perception depending on the objective. If my memory serves me right it was unethical to do anything that contradicted the objective of those who were one step above you in the authority ladder.
Bert

Bert wrote: "How have you managed to accompli...

2009-12-19T10:19:09.677+13:00

Bert wrote:
"How have you managed to accomplish such a life? What is the secret for accomplishing such a life?"

The secret to such a perfect life is simple, Bert: an extremely poor memory!!

'Hell sounds like a much more hip and happenin...

2009-12-19T08:54:13.654+13:00

'Hell sounds like a much more hip and happening place, IMO. At least one can be guaranteed the interesting people will be there!'
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Sounds like the false concept of 'hell' is still buried deep in our contributors.
Those cast into ge'henna are dead bodies, carcases - not the living. See Daniel 7:11.

Hell sounds like a much more hip and happening pla...

2009-12-19T07:25:29.248+13:00

Hell sounds like a much more hip and happening place, IMO. At least one can be guaranteed the interesting people will be there!

Or one could just go with being born right and ok the first time and not bother with all the guilt and threats...

This thread has gone off course. Am I ever going t...

2009-12-19T03:40:18.441+13:00

This thread has gone off course. Am I ever going to get a list of "the unethical practices of the radicals"?

Retired Prof said: “I was sorta looking forward to...

2009-12-19T02:42:13.996+13:00

Retired Prof said:
“I was sorta looking forward to the same condition after death that I enjoyed before birth.”
This is an interesting statement. First how could a person enjoy something before birth? Second does a person enjoy something after death? Third does time and space allow for anything historical to be undone?
Bert

anonseven21 said: I'm not a sinner. Your procl...

2009-12-19T02:17:54.960+13:00

anonseven21 said:
I'm not a sinner. Your proclamations don't make me one, neither do the proclamations of sheep herders from many years ago.
What is your perception of a sinner when you say you are not a sinner? Does this mean you are a perfect human being without any mistakes and everything you do makes a positive contribution in your human existence? You have never made a wrong move, never broken any laws, never did anything that caused harm, never lost your temper, have perfect control in your life, nothing you do causes illness hurt or pain, and if it wasn’t for all the things other people do you would live forever?
How have you managed to accomplish such a life? What is the secret for accomplishing such a life?
Bert

"Instead, you are going to have to endure an ...

2009-12-18T23:04:29.797+13:00

"Instead, you are going to have to endure an eternity of fulfillment, joy, liberty, and happiness....whether you like it or not."

Translation: LOVE OUR JEBUS OR HE'LL KILL YOU.

Hell sounds like a much more hip and happening place, IMO. At least one can be guaranteed the interesting people will be there!

Larry... "Sorry anonseven21, you are a sinner...

2009-12-18T21:59:04.958+13:00

Larry... "Sorry anonseven21, you are a sinner. But, stubbornness and ignorance do not qualify you as "incorrigibly wicked". "

I cannot agree. I'm not a sinner. Your proclamations don't make me one, neither do the proclamations of sheep herders from many years ago.

It is a nice place to be, no longer living a life of sin, I suggest you try it sometime.

anonSeven21

Well, Retired Prof, I am afraid that "oblivio...

2009-12-18T20:16:48.471+13:00

Well, Retired Prof, I am afraid that "oblivion" is just going to have to wait. Instead, you are going to have to endure an eternity of fulfillment, joy, liberty, and happiness....whether you like it or not.

It could be difficult.

LoFCoG, I must have missed that sermon in 1969, bu...

2009-12-18T15:35:48.237+13:00

LoFCoG,
I must have missed that sermon in 1969, but I’m glad I did. You may want lighten up on your judgment just a tad, since Jesus warned us to not to take on what is a god size job.
(Mat 7:1-2 KJV) Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
In fact I would advise resigning that position and get a decent job like sweeping floors.
Bert

Okay, now I'm confused. Lake of Fire Church of...

2009-12-18T15:23:56.670+13:00

Okay, now I'm confused. Lake of Fire Church of God said that HWA and the WCG taught that the ones bound for "Lake of Fire eternal damnation are those individuals who were once converted, baptized and then have fallen away."

But, but. . . Kelly Barfield was all worried that, when I declined to return to Ambassador College after my freshman year, I had used up my last chance and was bound for the Lake of Fire--even though I was neither converted nor baptized. Are you implying, LoFCoG, that Mr. Barfield had no reason to worry on my behalf?

Or was he right? Should I worry along with him?

I was sorta looking forward to the same condition after death that I enjoyed before birth. It would vex me no end to think I'm due to be awakened from nice quiet oblivion by an all-merciful god just so that I can wail and gnash my teeth during the few moments of searing heat required to return me to that oblivion.

Well, LoFCoG, glad that I could clear that up for ...

2009-12-18T14:17:48.837+13:00

Well, LoFCoG, glad that I could clear that up for you! Many people are burdened by misconceptions, some of them long-held.

Larry blasphemously said, “the only folks to have ...

2009-12-18T11:52:43.808+13:00

Larry blasphemously said, “the only folks to have reason to fear God (or the Lake of Fire) is those who are genuinely evil, the incorrigibly wicked.”

MY COMMENT – This statement is in direct conflict with HWA and the WCG teachings which preached Lake of Fire eternal damnation are those individuals who were once converted, baptized and then have fallen away. In other words, these are the people who reject HWA as the Apostle of God. These individuals are condemned to Lake of Fire eternal damnation.

Additionally, as preached in F.K.’s January, 1969 Washington, D.C. WCG sermon: “if you die in the hands of doctors, you will go to the lake of fire”.

My work in the Lake of Fire Church of God is to minister to those of us who are condemned. Please send multiple tithes, offerings and yes, please don’t forget the all important Building Fund to grow this important aspect of God’s work.

May Larry join Tom Mahon in Mizpah, repenting of his blasphemous statements and draping himself with humility in ash and sackcloth, until the desolation comes?

anonseven21 said: “I deny the holy spirit. I'm...

2009-12-18T10:58:21.345+13:00

anonseven21 said:
“I deny the holy spirit. I'm not a sinner. Some would say that makes me incorrigibly wicked. I always struggled with Herbert's notion of original sin. I realize now it was just plain nonsense.”
I agree that the original sin idea is questionable. The human problem is better defined as ‘hardcore selfishness’ and it affects everyone in varying degrees.
Bert

Sorry anonseven21, you are a sinner. But, stubborn...

2009-12-18T09:59:50.177+13:00

Sorry anonseven21, you are a sinner. But, stubbornness and ignorance do not qualify you as "incorrigibly wicked".

Genuinely evil people deliberately inflict pain and suffering upon the innocent, and/or derive pleasure or satisfaction from seeing or causing the misery of same.

I sincerely doubt that anyone who posts on this board falls into this category.

larry said: "Paul, with regard to your commen...

2009-12-18T08:08:43.529+13:00

larry said: "Paul, with regard to your comments about Tom and the Lake of Fire: the only folks to have reason to fear God (or the Lake of Fire) are those who are genuinely evil, the incorrigibly wicked.

We don't have anyone like that posting on this board. Your Salvation is not determined by your opinions, it is based on your heart."

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I deny the holy spirit. I'm not a sinner. Some would say that makes me incorrigibly wicked. I always struggled with Herbert's notion of original sin. I realize now it was just plain nonsense.

anonseven21

Paul, with regard to your comments about Tom and t...

2009-12-18T01:09:13.605+13:00

Paul, with regard to your comments about Tom and the Lake of Fire: the only folks to have reason to fear God (or the Lake of Fire) are those who are genuinely evil, the incorrigibly wicked.

We don't have anyone like that posting on this board. Your Salvation is not determined by your opinions, it is based on your heart.

If your heart is right, and yours is, (I know this because you hate injustice and deception) you will eventually come to Jesus Christ, maybe not now, but sometime in the future. It is inevitable.