Comments on Ambassador Watch: BS Lemming Drive

"There's a lot of denial HWA did what he did, but ...

2008-02-24T23:35:00.000+13:00

"There's a lot of denial HWA did what he did, but I don't believe anyone actually "caught" GTA in the act either."

What, GTA's video with the masseuse wasn't good enough for you?

Well Gavin,I see you have posted a couple of new t...

2008-02-21T07:22:00.000+13:00

Well Gavin,

I see you have posted a couple of new topics. I'll call it a night and pay my electronic Bar room tab. Besides, I don't won't you to sic your electronic bar room bouncer on me for the "looks good, tastes bad" comment in my previous post, and the Tom Moron comments from earlier posts in this thread.

Can I buy Dennis Diehl an electronic beer before I leave the bar room? You can put it on my electronic bar tab. I read somewhere that Diehl's WCG life experience was because ""I am only here for the beer."

Next time I travel through South Carolina, I am going to look Dennis up and see if I can't buy him a real beer. That would make Tom a prophet. Wouldn't it?.

Richard

Neotherm wrote, "Biggest Award for Foot in Mouth: ...

2008-02-21T07:05:00.000+13:00

Neotherm wrote, "Biggest Award for Foot in Mouth: I was sitting in the Field House, in the middle, front section about half way back, when Les McCullough announced GTA's "problem."

He directed his attention to the women in the audience and told them that they were not tempted to adultery because most of them were not attractive enough to ever find themselves in that circumstance".

MY COMMENT - Neo, that story was funny. I cracked up laughing when I read your post because it is so typical of the generalizations made by "God's ministers" from that WCG era (or, should I say "error").

Remember, God calls "the weak and base things" so McCullough's comment was right in line with that mindset.

By the way, I visited the latest WCG offshoot fraud, Living University, website (it is neither "living" or "a real university", but that is another subject). Anyway, they have this stock photo of this beautiful young coed on the Living U. website. Certainly, in line with McCullough's comment, that coed photo'ed on the Living U. website can't be a real LU student, is she? Is this another Armstrongite fraud? Looks good, tastes bad?

Richard

Self Righteous Tom Moron wrote, "Still, according ...

2008-02-21T06:39:00.000+13:00

Self Righteous Tom Moron wrote, "Still, according to Augustine, "God teaches some people, but deceives no one." Therefore, to the unwise, the wise are seen as arrogant.

MY COMMENT - Strange you would quote Augustine. I would have thought you would have quoted Proverbs 1:7 as the source of wisdom's foundation. You quote the words of man over the words of the Bible. No wonder you were so easily deceived by your idol HWA.

Self Righteous Tom Moron wrote:
Richard said:

>>>By the way, the reason this thread is of interest to me personally is because Dave Havir officiated my father's funeral in 1983. My father was a WCG member.<<<

Well, that does not mean that Dave Havir was ever converted. I was baptised by Arthur Suckling in 1975, and Melvin Rhodes officiated at my wedding in 1986. Both of these men are now with UCG. Need I say more?

MY COMMENT: Oh, that's right. I forgot you, Tom Moron, are the judge of a person's conversion. You know their heart and their most intimate thoughts as to whether one is "converted" or not. Typical Armstrongite self righteousness in its purest form.

Richard

"Unless, of course, they know a god who would keep...

2008-02-21T05:56:00.000+13:00

"Unless, of course, they know a god who would keep an adulterer in office, to preach to his people against the sin of adultery?"

Apparently this same God kept a incestuous little drunk in office, so I wouldn't put it past him.

Paul

Still waiting for a picture of Tom. I'd at least l...

2008-02-21T03:21:00.000+13:00

Still waiting for a picture of Tom. I'd at least like the option of deciding to give or not give a shallow, foolish and judgmental evaluation.

2008-02-21T02:33:00.000+13:00

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Richard said:>>>By the way, the reason this thread...

2008-02-20T23:58:00.000+13:00

Richard said:

>>>By the way, the reason this thread is of interest to me personally is because Dave Havir officiated my father's funeral in 1983. My father was a WCG member.<<<

Well, that does not mean that Dave Havir was ever converted. I was baptised by Arthur Suckling in 1975, and Melvin Rhodes officiated at my wedding in 1986. Both of these men are now with UCG. Need I say more?

DennisDiehl said...>>>Has Tom sent anyone his pict...

2008-02-20T23:51:00.000+13:00

DennisDiehl said...

>>>Has Tom sent anyone his picture yet for a look see?<<<

I have no problem in posting a photo of myself, and might get around to it at some point in time.

Lussenheide asked...>>>Tom-- WHY DO YOU HATE ME?Wh...

2008-02-20T23:45:00.000+13:00

Lussenheide asked...

>>>Tom-- WHY DO YOU HATE ME?<<<

Where did you get this idea from? I do not hate anyone. I may disagree with you, and may be scathing in criticising your opinions, but my responses are not motivated by hatred.

After all, I am a Christian! Which means that I love my neighbour as myself.

Richard said:>>>My guess is that Tom displays a mo...

2008-02-20T23:36:00.000+13:00

Richard said:

>>>My guess is that Tom displays a mop of untidy black hair, a slight resemblance of Adolph Hitler and a smirk which says, "I am only here because I am better than all of you."<<<

You are so wrong, I can't emphasise it enough.

Still, according to Augustine, "God teaches some people, but deceives no one." Therefore, to the unwise, the wise are seen as arrogant.

Bamboo_bends said...>>>After reading this very str...

2008-02-20T22:15:00.000+13:00

Bamboo_bends said...

>>>After reading this very strange thread of comments, I further wonder why Tom Mahon can find such ferver in attacking the credentials of GTA for adultery, when HWA had an even darker problem.<<<

Firstly, mentioning GTA's adultery has nothing to do with my "fervour" about anything. I referred to GTA's behaviour to show that those who following him into CGI were misguided. Unless, of course, they know a god who would keep an adulterer in office, to preach to his people against the sin of adultery?

In addition, GTA admitted his sin to his father, who sent him off to repent. When his father and Mr. Portune later visited him, he feigned repentance and was restored to office, which was grave mistake.

Secondly, much has been said about HWA's alleged incest and probable adultery, but no one has produced any evidence to support these allegations. As I have said before, rumours, innuendos and vehement assertions are not proof of guilt.

Biggest Award for Foot in Mouth: I was sitting in...

2008-02-20T16:42:00.000+13:00

Biggest Award for Foot in Mouth: I was sitting in the Field House, in the middle, front section about half way back, when Les McCullough announced GTA's "problem."

He directed his attention to the women in the audience and told them that they were not tempted to adultery because most of them were not attractive enough to ever find themselves in that circumstance.

Other than Les crying over his fallen buddy, nothing else about that announcement stands out.

I hate to sound callous about that but I feel like my perceptions have been manipulated so much by various Armstrongite leaders, I find such events in retrospect to be of low credibility or value.

Psychologists have determined that people who have an attractive physical appearance are judged to be moral. In fact, they are judged to be better in about every way. GTA took full advantage of this. But he was just a strange guy who attracted strange people.

-- Neo

Tom-- WHY DO YOU HATE ME?Bill Lussenheide, Menifee...

2008-02-20T15:46:00.000+13:00

Tom-- WHY DO YOU HATE ME?

Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA USA

I haven't seen any mug shots of that self righteou...

2008-02-20T15:37:00.000+13:00

I haven't seen any mug shots of that self righteous loser Tom Moron floating around on the internet yet.

My guess is that Tom displays a mop of untidy black hair, a slight resemblance of Adolph Hitler and a smirk which says, "I am only here because I am better than all of you."

Richard

2008-02-20T14:17:00.001+13:00

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Has Tom sent anyone his picture yet for a look see...

2008-02-20T14:17:00.000+13:00

Has Tom sent anyone his picture yet for a look see? I may have missed it. Yeah, I must have missed it. He'd send it to be fair wouldn't he? Oh, now I'm worried he won't send one...

The Quincy character was based on the life of Dr. ...

2008-02-20T12:08:00.000+13:00

The Quincy character was based on the life of Dr. Thomas Noguchi. He was a LA County Medical Examiner in real life. He performed autopsies on John Belushi, Natalie Wood and Marilyn Monroe.

Mode of Death
Episode: 5x07 (Season 5 Episode 07)
Originally Aired: Nov. 01, 1979

Plot: Evangelist Franklin Osborne, evangelist and leader of ‘Divine World Church’, whose church is being investigated by the government is found dead, drugs and alcohol at his bedside table. Quincy is told to come up with the mode of death quickly, everyone wants to know how, and why, he died. On the bedside table forensic doctor Quincy notes an empty tablet box and a bottle of whiskey - successful suicide? Osborne was an incurable diabetic. The public prosecutor's office investigated his church because of embezzlement of profit money. Quincy's autopsy results show no conclusion. However, a voluntary elimination of one's life doesn't appear to the resourceful doctor to be plausible enough. The scientific results are borderline so Quincy asks Asten to authorize a psychological autopsy on the dead evangelist, which might hold some surprises. Was Franklin Osborne murdered, and who wanted him dead?

"Mode of Death" (written by Abrey Solomon and Stev...

2008-02-20T11:24:00.000+13:00

"Mode of Death" (written by Abrey Solomon and Steve Greenburg, based on a story by Deborah Klugman) on "Quincy"; "Charlatan" (by Michael Vitters) on "Lou Grant," and "The Miracle Man" (by Robert James) which has already been rerun once on "Hawaii Five-O." All relate to religious rip-offs.

Mike Meredith (Rod's son) once told me that GTA ha...

2008-02-20T11:22:00.000+13:00

Mike Meredith (Rod's son) once told me that GTA had 150 known affairs. A lot of them were ministers wives and coeds.

But the thing that really bothered me, was the fact that I left the conversation wondering why his daddy kept score.

Gail, whomever she was, was hardly the only one. I think we'd do all such women a favor by not dragging them through the mud. Most people's resistance to temptation varies inversely attractiveness of the person doing the tempting.

After reading this very strange thread of comments, I further wonder why Tom Mahon can find such ferver in attacking the credentials of GTA for adultery, when HWA had an even darker problem.

There's a lot of denial HWA did what he did, but I don't believe anyone actually "caught" GTA in the act either.

Dennis,Thanks for the information. I will pass tha...

2008-02-20T11:16:00.000+13:00

Dennis,

Thanks for the information. I will pass that information along to my brother and sister in law who knew Gail in our local Washington, D.C. WCG congregation.

What a small world! Our paths crossed with Gail again about 12 years after I left the WCG cult and about 1,000 miles away from Washington, D.C. My brother and his family moved to Iowa and I was visiting him in the late 1980s. We went out to eat at a cafeteria in Waterloo, Iowa and there we ran into Gail eating at the same cafeteria with her husband. I believe she married a doctor if memory serves me correct.

By the way, the reason this thread is of interest to me personally is because Dave Havir officiated my father's funeral in 1983. My father was a WCG member.

Richard

She did seem nice, but aren't you painting her a l...

2008-02-20T10:03:00.000+13:00

She did seem nice, but aren't you painting her a little too naive?

-- Neo

I don't know. I am only commenting on the person I knew personally and the context in which I knew her.

Dennis: I believe I was introduced to the stewar...

2008-02-20T09:44:00.000+13:00

Dennis:

I believe I was introduced to the stewardess in the Field House at Big Sandy in the early Seventies. One of my buddies from Pasadena was a classmate of hers.

She did seem nice, but aren't you painting her a little too naive?

-- Neo

I was at an ICG potluck, setting up tables, when G...

2008-02-20T09:43:00.000+13:00

I was at an ICG potluck, setting up tables, when GTA asked me, "Are you in the service, young man?" in a very carrying voice. He had a beaming smile and bright eyes. I said yes, he mentioned his time in the Navy and I went on to describe my current duties while I set up the table. I looked up and noticed that GTA wasn't paying attention anymore...he was still beaming but his eyes were seeing through me and scanning the small crowd. No big deal, I know, but I realized then and there that GTA was more akin to a politician or a Hollywood-type as opposed to a normal person or a "minister". I was a set piece for him to play off of...like I said, no big deal. I was still enamoured with him at the time, though I thought it odd, no more. In retrospect, I feel sort of sorry for the man in a way. He went from being an international figure, with legions of devotees and a lifestyle of/and to fit a king, to an old man in a hotel meeting room sitting on a folding chair. I see now why he continually made reference to himself "carrying on the Work" no matter how small and mean the circumstance- it was a way to shunt the pain and embarrassment of his fall from stardom, so to speak. It was a way to justify and even give credibility to his Golden Years.

I take that back. My tithes probably went to clean his pool. He deserved it all.

Paul

Yet, sadly, apparently, about the only TV about Ar...

2008-02-20T01:56:00.000+13:00

Yet, sadly, apparently, about the only TV about Armstrongism appeared on Quincy with an absolutely hilarious Stanley Rader look alike portraying the lawyer for "Mr. Osbourne".

The WCG did consider suing, but as I discussed with Ralph Helge later, decided not to.