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2009-08-03T09:53:12.195+12:00

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I have been reading your posts and I am very sorry...

2008-06-17T12:54:00.000+12:00

I have been reading your posts and I am very sorry most of you seem so confused. I have gone though the struggle myself of spending hours on end in thought and study over the big questions. What is the meaning of life?, Is there is a God?, If so is he the God of the bible?, If so is Jesus really his divine son ..God incarnate? If so where is the true church that Jesus founded? I was deep in the wilderness of agnosticism, mysticism, Hinduism and had went way off track into holographic/simulation theories of the universe when I came full circle and found the truth.

I know now for certain that there is a God, Jesus is his divine son, the meaning of life is the chance to be reborn a spirit being and be a part of Gods family, and that the church Jesus founded is in the individuals that God has truly called and have his Holy Spirit. They are those who believe in Jesus and try to serve him with all their heart, they resonate with pure selfless Love.. Love for God and Love for man.

Many will not believe me but I had an encounter with the God of the bible. I just happened to pick up a bible while visiting my mother and I felt a blue light surround me.. the bible then came to life, Gods spirit was flowing though me for the first time. The words seem almost musical .. the bible spoke to me with a voice of its own. It was all condemnatory.. I saw my most of my life go by with holographic clarity .. saw what a selfish evil person I had been .. I was seeing myself for the first time I think the way God saw me .. it was terrible.... I had come full circle and finally had the truth but the mind of God couldn't dwell within me very well because I was an unfit vessel. I had the imprint of evil from a lifetime of wicked selfish habits. I think I experienced a taste of what its like to be in judgment before the most high.

There were times in my life I became very bitter and filled with hate.. made terrible accusations against God .. said monstrous things.. He had heard me and I was getting an answer.

I saw what a hypocrite I had been .. how I had condemned and made moral judgments against all who had wronged me but yet I had committed worse wrongs against others. I had been bitter against God for not helping me when I was in need but I did not help others in desperate need when I could have and besides was living in open sin and iniquity. I saw I had been totally and completely depraved.

I don't know what my status is with God now or if I will be forgiven. During the experience which lasted several months I made promises to turn back to him completely then tried to go back on them because I didn't want to loose my job. I valued my livelihood at the time more than being obedient and keeping the sabbath.

I will tell you with certainty that God definitely exists and I will try my best to reveal to you some of the things I came to understand before the Holy Spirit parted with me in the strength that it was dwelling with me then.

First God is pure Love.. he resonates pure Love.. his spirit is pure Love.. Love is sort of the resonate frequency of the Universe.. pure white light, by it everything that exists exists. Love is Gods nature.

Satan is in discord with the universe .. he resonates at the opposite frequency of Love which is selfishness and hate, no discord will be allowed to continue. God will not allow wickedness to be in his presence.

Primarily what is required of us by God is so simple.. he wants us to renounce our old sinful ways and to repent. To turn from iniquity which is the transgression of his Laws and to LOVE. A Christians transformed nature should be one of Love and caring about others, having a desire to give and serve.

Thats it really.. Love fulfills the Law because Love does no harm. If you Love God with all your Heart and you truly Love other people as you Love yourself you won't do anything to hurt them.

If someone does something terrible to you, no matter how bad it is .. you forgive and love them.. you don't fill yourself with bitterness
and hate .. you Love them.

Out of Love you have a duty to tell them of their sin .. to warn them to repent lest they face judgment .. but if they don't .. you pray for them that God will be merciful and you Love them.

I believe that God has worked though Mr. Armstrong and the COG's to reestablish the truth of his commandments but the truth is the True Church of God isn't any one particular Organization but is a spiritual organism composed of all those that God has truly called and who have his spirit.

Remember the focus of our duties and the core of being a Christian is to Love and help people. To pour yourself out for others. You don't want to ever become prideful and elitist thinking you know more that others and thinking that makes you righteous. The only hope any of us has is in Christ shed blood.. God came to earth and died a horrible death to pay our penalty.. in turn he asks us to repent accept his sacrifice and learn to Love Him and other people.

Keeping the Sabbath, Feast days, while important are not the substance of being a Christian. The substance is Loving and serving.

If you belong to a COG do everything they say as long as it doesn't contradict Gods commandments.. Learning the spirit of giving by faithfully tithing is very good. Be humble and teachable..and learn to keep the commandments, but remember that it is Jesus whom you are following and the Focus of his gospel isn't legalism its Repentance, acceptance of and believing in Him and Love.

Steve

Weinland Quote of the Year:"Why would anyone want ...

2008-04-06T11:57:00.000+12:00

Weinland Quote of the Year:

"Why would anyone want to use anyone in Judaism as an authority in Hebrew?"

Weinland to his critics on April 5: We're demons! ...

2008-04-06T08:31:00.000+12:00

Weinland to his critics on April 5: We're demons! Better polish your horns and sharpen those pitchforks people!!

Rotten Ronnie's latest revelation!"My wife and I, ...

2008-04-04T13:50:00.000+13:00

Rotten Ronnie's latest revelation!

"My wife and I, as well as Johnny and Myrtle Harrell, will be visiting Israel from April 14th through April 21st. We will be in Jerusalem on April 17th which is the day the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal sounds. The process of all that will occur, with the sounding of the First Trumpet, will begin on April 17th and continue to increase in destructive power (consequences) for the following seven weeks. The Second Trumpet will not sound until after the Day of Pentecost. This does not mean it is near that date, but it means it cannot happen until after that day."

Read the rest of the insanity straight from the witless's mouth here. Read my take on "by Pentecost or July" here.

Anyone know the right email address for the Israeli Health Authorities? We might be able to get Witless Weinland's little tour group picked up before they even get into the country.

That's only if Rotten Ronnie isn't on the no-fly list for his predictions of nuclear armageddon in the first place.

2008-04-01T12:28:00.000+13:00

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The info just keeps coming in! Check out this 2005...

2008-03-31T08:35:00.000+13:00

The info just keeps coming in! Check out this 2005 Feast report a former member of the CoG-PKG just sent me.

Did I mention CoG-PKG is keeping Pentecost on June...

2008-03-30T15:45:00.000+13:00

Did I mention CoG-PKG is keeping Pentecost on June 8th this year? So now Weinland's painting himself into a June 8th prophecy corner.

Then after June 8 it will be "if nothing happens by Atonement" and then after that the Feast will be back on! First the fast and then the Feast! Smile brethren! :-(

Takeaway quote from today's sermon:1:53:20 "Three ...

2008-03-30T14:46:00.000+13:00

Takeaway quote from today's sermon:

1:53:20 "Three More Weeks":

"If by Pentecost I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and for most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane."

Listen to the unedited sermon (all two hours of it if you can stomach it) here.

Steve, what you see as self-indulgent prattling on...

2008-03-28T15:37:00.000+13:00

Steve, what you see as self-indulgent prattling on the part of Dennis may be seen by others as honest coming-to-grips with what was and what is, in relation to his time with the WCG and, in particular, his years in its ministry.

It's pretty clear to me that he was wrestling with many of the things he's written about even during those years. Contrast that with the countless lock-steppers who just swallowed the company line and then regurgitated it once they gained rank.

The flip side is, you're entitled to be aggravated by it, and your aggravation is probably instructive, too. Dennis will likely find a middle ground on some perspectives as the years progress, but his posts here will always depict an honest attempt on his part to openly assess and analyze all that he saw and experienced. I may agree with what he writes, or I may disagree, but it's always fascinating to see where people are and how they got there.

I contrast that with the arrogant, holier-than-thou windbagging of Mr. Mahon, who, like so many of his forerunners in the Armstrongian tradition, delights in his specialness and pities those who don't share in it (read: everyone else). Since he prefers to see others only through that prism, he is blind to the fact that no one cares, or is listening.

Hey Tom (and Steve), tell us all what its like to ...

2008-03-28T14:16:00.000+13:00

Hey Tom (and Steve), tell us all what its like to me a moron.

re: Steve the moronIn comment to your idiotic ramb...

2008-03-28T14:10:00.000+13:00

re: Steve the moron

In comment to your idiotic ramblings I can only reply; moronic stupidity deserves no reply.

You sir, are an Idiot.

Jared Olar said... Yeah, yeah, Steve, you think De...

2008-03-28T13:14:00.000+13:00

Jared Olar said...
Yeah, yeah, Steve, you think Dennis has too many people who flatter him...I'm pretty sure the coroner has already pronounced that horse long deceased and more than sufficiently flogged.

MY COMMENT: So, stop flattering that dead horse already. It's getting ridiculous, and cheesy!

Yeah, yeah, Steve -- we got it already -- you thin...

2008-03-28T10:49:00.000+13:00

Yeah, yeah, Steve -- we got it already -- you think Dennis talks too much, hasn't apologised enough (or at all) for having been a WCG minister, lacks integrity, has too many people who flatter him or who agree with him, yadda yadda yadda. I'm pretty sure the coroner has already pronounced that horse long deceased and more than sufficiently flogged. Rather than posting your ad hominem remarks, you could post some substantive criticisms of the things Dennis says -- if you have any. Or is it just that you don't like the fact that its Dennis who is saying them?

"Are all these Armstrongite WCG ministers in it ju...

2008-03-28T02:00:00.000+13:00

"Are all these Armstrongite WCG ministers in it just for the money, or is Dennis Diehl the only one I can find with any integrity?"

Richard

MY COMMENT: Gag! More flattery for ya, Dennis.

Hmmm, Bill or anyone,How do these surveys of blogs...

2008-03-27T17:32:00.000+13:00

Hmmm, Bill or anyone,
How do these surveys of blogs, websites, etc know the profiles of viewers?

The enquiring mind of a female needs to know....

Oh joy! According to the writer cited in the above...

2008-03-27T14:59:00.000+13:00

Oh joy!

According to the writer cited in the above Weinland Watch link, Ron Weinland is yet another Worldwide Church of Fraud minister who has a history of exploiting lay members for personal financial gain!

Are all these Armstrongite WCG ministers in it just for the money, or is Dennis Diehl the only one I can find with any integrity?

Richard

According to Quantcast, this is what it said about...

2008-03-27T14:42:00.000+13:00

According to Quantcast, this is what it said about the typical Ambassador Watch viewer...

"This blog reaches approximately 2,502 U.S. monthly uniques. The blog caters to a more educated, somewhat male, HH income up to $60k, mostly Caucasian, 55+ audience."

Nearly all COG related sites have a very high affinity with crossover viewership for "prisonplanet.com" the site for conspiracy theorist/radio show host Alex Jones.

Here are the number of monthly unique individual visitors who are coming to various COG sites...

Good News 156k
RCG.org 152k
BibleStudy.org 145k
UCG.org 132k
WCG 89k
Packs Real Truth 79k
Tommorows World 72k
The Trumpet 45k
Nutcase Weinland 21k
Vision.org 20k
Born To Win 10k
Thiel 5k

Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA USA

One more comment left by a former member of one of...

2008-03-27T14:24:00.000+13:00

One more comment left by a former member of one of Weinland's WCG congregations.

A more detailed look at what Weinland is prophesyi...

2008-03-27T09:26:00.000+13:00

A more detailed look at what Weinland is prophesying for the First Trumpet, at least according to the book 2008: God's Final Witness.

It must be noted that Weinland has backed off a lot from using this rhetoric verbally, in the last couple of sermons; that falls in line with my theory that they're programming the membership to not expect anything to happen on April 17th, and when nothing does, the CoG-PKG will just keep rolling right along like it has been. :-(

Hey Richard---how about I take your "unpublished" ...

2008-03-27T01:20:00.000+13:00

Hey Richard---how about I take your "unpublished" excerpt and publish it on WW? Yes/no/maybe? It would definitely help the cause.

Think about it and let me know.

Weinland Watch said, "So. Is the thought-reform be...

2008-03-26T16:02:00.000+13:00

Weinland Watch said, "So. Is the thought-reform beginning, ever-so-subtly? Anyone got a time-machine we can borrow, to see if this is the same way it all played out in '72??"

MY COMMENT: Back by popular demand thanks to Tom Moron's earlier comment about my essay is the following excerpt from my unpublished essay "My Worldwide Church of God Reflections: 1972 in Prophecy - God's Practical Joke?":

Bombs dropping on America in January, 1972!

So proclaimed the prophecies of the “Apostle of God”, Worldwide Church of God head Herbert W. Armstrong (HWA). I still have vivid memories of the dark and cold January nights of 1972. I would hide in my bed under my covers trembling in fear of the beginning of the great tribulation as prophesied by God’s Apostle and the church’s ministry. Occasionally, I would get out from under my covers and look out my Laurel, Maryland bedroom window to see if I could see the Germans that were ready to strike in my neighborhood as God’s punishment on America. Years of sermons, co-worker letters and congregational chat had prepared the way for the final climax with the German attack. There was even a gruesome Armstrong booklet entitled “1975 in Prophecy”. According to Armstrong theology, the great tribulation was to begin in January, 1972. God’s Philadelphian people were to be taken to a place of safety in the Middle East land called “Petra” while the remaining Laodiceans were to go through the horrible great tribulation with the rest of the world, and Christ would return to earth in 1975 commencing the wonderful world tomorrow.

The 1972 prophecy revolved around Armstrong’s commencement of “The Work of God” in January, 1934 and a belief in “19 year time cycles”. Armstrong theology taught that God’s Philadelphia Church era began in 1934, and that exactly 19 years later, the significant event of the Church’s radio broadcast going on the air internationally in Europe occurred in 1953. The second 19 year time cycle would complete the work in January, 1972 and the great tribulation was to begin lead by Germany attacking the United States.

People strove to be Philadelphian to be counted worthy to escape the great tribulation. This meant having zeal for “the Work”. The amount of zeal displayed for “the Work” often translated into the amount of financial support sent to Armstrong. When January, 1972 arrived, I assumed I was not worthy to escape all these things since I was still in Laurel, Maryland and not in the Petra place of safety.

Apparently, God (or somebody) forgot to tell the Germans about their unique rendezvous with destiny slated for 1972 as the prophecy didn’t quite turn out as Armstrong and the Church had preached!

End of Excerpt.

I hope Tom Moron will appreciate my unpublished essay excerpted above. I believe it succinctly sums up my WCG experience.

Richard

A study in contrasts, for those who are keeping tr...

2008-03-26T14:34:00.000+13:00

A study in contrasts, for those who are keeping track:

The First Trumpet---this is what Weinland said would happen, after the first trumpet sounded, in the book 2008: God's Final Witness.

The church is still publicly using the Feb. 2 -> 1335 days -> March 18th -> 1290 days ("...and the world will be shocked and in horror on the day the the seventh seal is opened" p. 23 2008: God's Final Witness only it wasn't)-> April 17th -> Great Tribulation begins only maybe it won't, or maybe "it could take 6 to 12 months" timeline.

Weinland was hinting, as recently as a few weeks ago, that there would be no reason to get together with brethren after Passover, and quite possibly not even then.

(Apparently people will be instructed via the website on how to keep Passover in their homes; no word yet on how they intend to prevent the "unbaptized" from taking Passover, if they're going to send out instructions via the website.)

However, this past Saturday, Weinland referred rather obliquely in a throwaway manner to Atonement, a Fall Feast. (Members are currently under the impression that they will be unable to keep the Feast of Tabernacles this year.)

Tellingly, he has also stepped the fear-mongering back a large notch, most likely because unedited copies of his sermons are now finding their way to the 'net.

As a result, people can now hear him spout off in the first fifteen - twenty minutes of each sermon on the death and destruction, which he claimed on Saturday's sermon that "he wasn't talking about [that]", it was more "spiritual".

So. Is the thought-reform beginning, ever-so-subtly? Anyone got a time-machine we can borrow, to see if this is the same way it all played out in '72??

Charlie said: On a side note to Jared Olar: It is ...

2008-03-26T13:39:00.000+13:00

Charlie said: On a side note to Jared Olar: It is good to have you contributing again! You have been missed.

That's a relief! I didn't even know anyone was aiming at me! ;-)

Seriously though, I know my commenting around here has been slightly less frequent, but I still pop in now and again.

Tom Mahon said... HWA, despite his faults, was ...

2008-03-26T13:14:00.000+13:00

Tom Mahon said...

HWA, despite his faults, was a servant of Christ. And those who attack the servants of Christ are told: "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Interesting conflation of a jaded old preacher with a child sitting on Jesus lap. But such scriptural manipulations are common in Armstrongism.

The little ones Jesus was talking about were children.

I'd hazard to guess that incest is a little worse than just offending a child. (And don't tell me it was consensual relationship!)

So Tom, just what size millstone does Herbert Armstrong wear?