Comments on Ambassador Watch: Why Meeker Matters

Anonymous said... From the Council of Elders: Anno...

2008-05-27T01:11:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...
From the Council of Elders:

Announcement to be Read in All Churches on the Sabbath of May 24

MESSAGE TO THE BRETHREN: "The birds are singing and flying around bringing us sweet nectar and olive branches, and all the animals are lined up two by two boarding the UCG love boat on it's way to smooth sailing on this wonderful and beautiful day! Preaching the gospel and YOU are our primary concerns, so keep sending those tithes and offerings in."

MY COMMENT: Usually, when the big shots of UCG have to reassure the "brethren" that everything is hunky-dory...they are trying to do damage control. So, something is afoul. I wonder how long it will be before the next split?

Manny, I wouldn't venture to guess what "gates of ...

2008-05-26T18:52:00.000+12:00

Manny, I wouldn't venture to guess what "gates of hell" means. My comment was tongue in cheek.

Adam Clarke says: "The gates of hell, pulai adou, i.e. the machinations and powers of the invisible world...".

Dean destroys UCG!!! said........ I expect the UCG...

2008-05-26T18:12:00.000+12:00

Dean destroys UCG!!! said...

..... I expect the UCG to begin to disintegrate and cease to exist in short order. Nice work Aaron Dean!

Spoken like a preacher who lost out on the vote...

Those of us outside the Armstrong camps have long learned not to discount the resilience of these groups.

Long term they are all doomed due to natural demographics and not retaining the youth. But if you're willing to waith 20-30 years, you will be right, eventually. And Dean could be an old man.

Was there not a Lester Grabbe,also??Jorgheinz

2008-05-26T16:53:00.000+12:00

Was there not a Lester Grabbe,also??

Jorgheinz

Kiss and make up, Gavin??Cosmetics are surely disa...

2008-05-26T16:50:00.000+12:00

Kiss and make up, Gavin??

Cosmetics are surely disallowed.

Seamus

Please define "gates of hell".....

2008-05-26T13:48:00.000+12:00

Please define "gates of hell".....

You're saying Aaron Dean has power to do what not ...

2008-05-26T13:17:00.000+12:00

You're saying Aaron Dean has power to do what not even the gates of hell can accomplish? Woah!

Who would have thought that Herbert Armstrongs con...

2008-05-26T12:52:00.000+12:00

Who would have thought that Herbert Armstrongs constant companion in the 70's and 80s would singlehandedly bring about the distruction of the largest offshoot of the WCG. I expect the UCG to begin to disintegrate and cease to exist in short order. Nice work Aaron Dean!

Wooooooo Hooooooo.....Hairless Apes plant spacecra...

2008-05-26T12:10:00.000+12:00

Wooooooo Hooooooo.....Hairless Apes plant spacecraft on Mars!
Congratulations Homo Sapiens!

You've come a long way baby!

Truly, truly...you better not be making fun of me....

2008-05-26T11:44:00.000+12:00

Truly, truly...you better not be making fun of me. You will die a slow quick death.

I was waiting for the results of the Indy 500 and can now announce that this is just the beginning of sorrows.

Next Thunder: Barak Orummney wins nomination for President. Announces himself as spokesman of wife as Vice President

Truly, truly...it really is...

Byker Bob said... "Gavin's got to be rejoicing to...

2008-05-26T11:18:00.000+12:00

Byker Bob said...
"Gavin's got to be rejoicing today! Native New Zealander Scott Dixon won the Indy 500!"

Boy oh boy...that's like Shinto Fujinamurita winning the Daytona 500!

Truly truly...time is short! :)

Wm. Moses Kunstler said, "In my opinion, Meeker is...

2008-05-26T11:10:00.000+12:00

Wm. Moses Kunstler said, "In my opinion, Meeker is correct in his analysis of Deans insubordination and is also correct in his conclusion."

My reference wasn't to any of the details, but to Joel's bewilderment at the whole scene. He is searching for the hand of God in the events he mentions. His analysis hinges on the premise he grew up with, that Armstrong's WCG, now morphed into the UCG, is the legitimate and unique spiritual descendent of the church Jesus built.

In his early years he couldn’t countenance questioning decisions of the church; they had to be right, they had to be of God. How dare anyone question what God, through his chosen leaders, had decided to do!

Today he sings another song, questioning, analyzing, walking now in the extremely unsure shoes of "God's chosen leaders" -- and still basing his thoughts on the premise he grew up with.

If the fundamental premise is wrong, then no amount of clear thinking based on that premise will yield the answer.

From the Council of Elders: Announcement to be Rea...

2008-05-26T10:45:00.000+12:00

From the Council of Elders:

Announcement to be Read in All Churches on the Sabbath of May 24

We have just completed a profitable General Conference of Elders meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio. Our new strategic plan, the operation plan and the budget for the next fiscal year were approved by large margins. We greatly appreciate your prayers for the overall success of this annual event.

This announcement is to update you regarding the proposed Home Office relocation to Texas. As you know, a resolution to rescind last year’s ballot approving the move was placed on this year’s agenda. This resolution passed by 187 in favor and 175 opposed. It is clear that the two ballots on the relocation of the Home Office demonstrate that we are not united on this issue.

So how do we proceed now?

All of us who serve on the Council of Elders and in administration want you to know that we remain dedicated to our primary purposes of preaching the gospel and preparing a people. We must not allow our differences over the relocation issue to undermine our commitment to do the Work that God has called us to do. All of us want the facilities which will best serve our needs.

The initial reason for proposing the move was to address the needs of the Church, both short term and long term. The administration has the task of bringing to the Council recommendations on how we should now proceed. We will keep you informed of decisions and progress on this important aspect of God’s work.

Thank you for your continued prayers and faithful support.

Not to change the subject, but Gavin's got to be r...

2008-05-26T10:14:00.000+12:00

Not to change the subject, but Gavin's got to be rejoicing today! Native New Zealander Scott Dixon won the Indy 500!

BB

Did want to clarify that the "worldly educated" th...

2008-05-26T06:03:00.000+12:00

Did want to clarify that the "worldly educated" that I put in quotes were my words, since Joel had distinguished AC grad elders from the others. I don't have the original post, so it was in my words the substance of about what he had written...Sue

The Reformation is ON: Come to the booklet burning...

2008-05-26T02:22:00.000+12:00

The Reformation is ON: Come to the booklet burning!

For those in the UCG who are dissatisfied, the sol...

2008-05-26T01:59:00.000+12:00

For those in the UCG who are dissatisfied, the solution is simple: Change to a new coven or drop out of the witchcraft entirely.

For the warlocks in the Coven of Evil, though, it isn't that simple: They have to continue to find ways to support themselves.

At the same time, they have to admit the magic is gone. Wizard Meeker admits as much, as the rituals produce less and less. Not unlike Hogwart, there are adversaries within [as well as without]. Not everyone is on the same page in the Book of Shadows.

The real problem is the Great Magi has died and left no viable successor to carry on the stirring of the cauldrons of potions, as it were. Those were prosperous times, invoking fear in those observers of craft and times with the simple wonderment of virtual gremlins, goblins and demons invented as enemies of the realm, requiring wards to keep them at bay. Those were much more prosperous days and now that the dark times have come, there are those seeking powers which have slipped away.

The denial is obvious. This whole realm of sorcery is rooted in the pagan past. Yet no one is willing to step up to the plate and admit the Painful Truth that the wickedness and evil have been pervasive from the very start: These wizards come a line of wicked wizards pretending to be good. Unfortunately, the public has come to view them exactly and precisely to be what they are.

One suspects that the whole magical kingdom should be abandoned and people return to the simpler times without witches, warlocks, magic and covens to concentrate on the priorities of family, friends, work, God and country. It looks more and more that the Magic Kingdom of Walt Disney is much more viable than the one the UCG coven has attempted to build. And they are the most successful at it among the other prestigious warlocks of the Covens of Gall. People should go back to basics and abandon the CoGs.

At least it would be cheaper and a tad more sane.

"I would advise him to look once more at his analy...

2008-05-26T01:09:00.000+12:00

"I would advise him to look once more at his analysis and believe its implications."

Faulty reasoning leads to faulty conclusions.

In my opinion, Meeker is correct in his analysis of Deans insubordination and is also correct in his conclusion.

If Dean wants to do his own work (what ever that may be) fine. But to go contrary to the wishes of his self imposed superiors at United is a bit hypocritical. And for Dean to be rewarded for his rebellion against the wishes of the organization is out and out wrong.

Dean is a hypocrite.

I remember Joel Meeker. He's smart and he has dil...

2008-05-25T19:05:00.000+12:00

I remember Joel Meeker. He's smart and he has diligently applied himself. He has a lot going for him.

I would advise him to look once more at his analysis and believe its implications. That won't be easy, but if he can find courage to accept and act intelligently on the evidence he's presented, he'll find a way to continue developing his considerable gifts somewhere else. Only when one joins the human race can he or she really serve God.

"What's up with the Mr. Armstrong "history" lesson...

2008-05-25T13:45:00.000+12:00

"What's up with the Mr. Armstrong "history" lesson? I don't see any connection at all to the story that was posted.'

Where does UCG's theology come from? Where did UCG itself spring from? In what organizational and spiritual environment was Meeker molded?

It all comes from the lecherous anus of "Mr." Armstrong. *spit*

The Apostate Paul

What's up with the Mr. Armstrong "history" lesson?...

2008-05-25T13:20:00.000+12:00

What's up with the Mr. Armstrong "history" lesson? I don't see any connection at all to the story that was posted.

. "In the meanwhile, may God have mercy on His peo...

2008-05-25T09:57:00.001+12:00

. "In the meanwhile, may God have mercy on His people; they deserve better."

Seems Joel had the members in mind too.

. "In the meanwhile, may God have mercy on His peo...

2008-05-25T09:57:00.000+12:00

. "In the meanwhile, may God have mercy on His people; they deserve better."

Seems Joel had the members in mind too.

2008-05-25T09:13:00.000+12:00

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Sycophant sicko-fantasy OR ass-kissers rebellion -...

2008-05-25T08:55:00.000+12:00

Sycophant sicko-fantasy OR ass-kissers rebellion - Which?

When you look at some of the elders in UCG or any other XCG you may find many who were back slapping butt kissers who knew how to move their way up through the ranks of the congregations. This must be a dream come true for the sycophants in United where they think now the butt kissing will be returned to them. Highly unlikely.

To be sure there are some great elders and wives out there who really do care about brethren.

If you visit united you might meet elders who claim to have been the ones who stood up for the truth. Sounding as they were the only ones who did so they claim or act as if they are so high almighty. But when you look around they are so few if any who had followed from worldwide this sycophants who always wanted recognition now feel they are getting the respect they deserv. Maybe the new progressive united leadership will follow through on the wishes and whims of the elders time remaind to be seen.

Someone referred to 360 and Kubic starting united. These elders will tell you they were starting united too when they were standing up.