tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post2514014746672816970..comments2016-12-17T08:14:53.598+13:00Gavinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03060097218905523899noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-29739885369049232602009-08-05T04:22:07.259+12:002009-08-05T04:22:07.259+12:00Those who may go to the scienceblogs website looking for a detailed critique of the UCG booklet as Myers promised will be disappointed. The UCG booklet is available for immediate download in pdf format, so everyone at scienceblogs has had the opportunity to see it. They have over 200 comments to the original post, and almost no one has commented on the content of the booklet. Plenty of hostility and hate, but no subtance. The discussion seems to center on the issue of how to make UCG waste postage.<br /><br />Great advertisement for the evolutionist mindset!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-3021377457969733102009-08-05T02:47:04.540+12:002009-08-05T02:47:04.540+12:00Maybe if some UCG members were better examples to the Biblically ignorant worldly pagan people, some of these attacks wouldn&#39;t happen. Quite by accident, I have learned of some &quot;converted&quot; members who are living together. You know, the worldly Satanic practice where people of the opposite sex shack up. <br /><br />It is absolutely happening in UCG. Now, how can we expect our &quot;of the world&quot; family and friends to take us seriously when we are just as worldly(or more so) as they? I mean when we are picking and choosing which teachings to zealously observe and which to zealously toss in the sewer, how is it that we deserve respect? Where do we get our specialness that allows us to confidently snub outsiders who don&#39;t get our sabbath/holy day/tithing doctrines when we are wallowing in the mire regarding everyday living issues. <br /><br />I understand the topic here is the creationist ad, but UCG better get some priorities straight or we will have worse than this to contend with.Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-73369621806900066262009-08-01T10:22:53.759+12:002009-08-01T10:22:53.759+12:00Mel,<br /><br />Altar calls?<br /><br />No, I don&#39;t see myself in that role at all. I see myself as defending the faith from time to time, and perhaps encouraging some of the people who were presented by WCG/HWA with a detestable working image of the members of the deity to take a second look at God, this time without using the Armstrong filters from our past.<br /><br />And, believe me, I know how difficult an action that would be. There&#39;s quite a reservoir of natural revulsion in most of us. I&#39;m nearly certain that when the very name &quot;God&quot; is suggested, for some, the first image that comes to mind is a mental portrait of HWA, sometimes inducing involuntary vomitus. My point is that we have to get past that to get the healing we all need.<br /><br />BBBykernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-402242526488840162009-07-31T19:04:03.786+12:002009-07-31T19:04:03.786+12:00I clicked on link &amp; skimmed pdf UCG booklet. The booklet is of no value because there is no scientific approach here. Science has a well established system for seeking truth which they ignore. Science needs to verify evidence; the UCG needs to carefully supply evidence not reasoning.<br /><br />Have you heard these right wing religionists use the term &quot;Neo Darwinists&quot; to describe scientists? I didn&#39;t know there was a &quot;reveval&quot; in Darwinism. When did it ever fall out of favor?Tkach's $wiss Bankernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-69506704927734040732009-07-31T17:05:12.783+12:002009-07-31T17:05:12.783+12:00BB, I think that would be cool. And once he&#39;s done with the COGs, he can decimate a few christians too.Russell Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03551250544512295798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-56791575613830325912009-07-31T15:58:49.505+12:002009-07-31T15:58:49.505+12:00Bob, I ascribe your &#39;response-pickle&#39; partially to the fact that you feel the Holy Spirit wants you to use Gavin&#39;s blog as a venue to make &quot;alter calls&quot;, while at the same time, this isn&#39;t really the place for that.Melnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-17623881674481768232009-07-31T06:20:38.743+12:002009-07-31T06:20:38.743+12:00The responses to my 7:17 post are fairly typical, and pretty much what I expected, and even from whom I expected them.<br /><br />But, this ties in to the original post in that it is just too bad that, through free will or otherwise, false teachers can create such an oppressive religious system that causes people to hate, reject, and deny God. So, while I am no longer in alignment philosophically with atheists, I believe it&#39;s possible that God might be using this situation to further decimate what&#39;s left of the ACOGs.<br /><br />BBByker Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-7110851403126670052009-07-31T05:44:47.506+12:002009-07-31T05:44:47.506+12:00I have noticed that when people have a &#39;cult mentality&#39; that they ascribe any good that happens in their lives to their following the cult&#39;s teachings, while spinning any bad things that happen into martyrdom or evil forces acting against the cult&#39;s purposes.<br /><br />After I left the WCG, I attended a church which had people travelling, bringing packacages to clothe and feed the needy in a South American country.<br />It was a political mess there, and the people ended up with their heads chopped off and placed on spikes outside the perimeter of the village they had gone to help, as a warning.<br /><br />I never, at the time, thought to ask if Jesus had given them automobile transmissions, though.<br /><br />I guess that for them, the choo-choo-train to &quot;choppy-choppy&quot; had ended any need they might have had for automobile transmissions.Melnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-83643896352604465072009-07-30T16:37:41.805+12:002009-07-30T16:37:41.805+12:00&quot;Actually it is proof of something... the archeology is REAL!&quot;<br /><br />Documentation, please. From real scientists. As detailed as possible. I will not do your research for you, but I&#39;m willing to consider anything credible you dig up.<br /><br />I won&#39;t hold my breath.Russell Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03551250544512295798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-67971562620678723232009-07-30T15:38:40.360+12:002009-07-30T15:38:40.360+12:00Byker Bob said... <br />Corky, I&#39;m surprised that you didn&#39;t make this connection. One of my passions is the dying continent of Africa.<br /><br />Does your church participate in the &#39;Transmissions for Tots&#39; program ?Tkach's $wiss Bankernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-47786154338204860662009-07-30T15:35:17.641+12:002009-07-30T15:35:17.641+12:00Corky said:<br /><br />&quot;I see that BykerBob is laboring under the impression that God finds transmissions for cars instead of food for the starving.&quot;<br /><br />Yeah, I was wondering about this irony too.Tkach's $wiss Bankernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-47424745944890251262009-07-30T12:35:21.981+12:002009-07-30T12:35:21.981+12:00<i>So, your seemingly logical post missed the key link in the blessing chain. To tell the whole story, God provides transmissions for people who help feed and educate the starving. <br /><br />BB</i>.<br /><br />Yeah, I knew there was something missing somewhere.<br /><br />So, now we know, we have to EARN those blessings . . . ya know, that kinda sounds familiar, somehow.<br /><br />Oh yeah, now I remember, it was that tithe thingy - well, since God is pouring out his blessings on you then I hope you are blessed with more than a transmission. <br /><br />I didn&#39;t have any blessings poured out on me for all my contributions but I suppose that&#39;s the way it is for some folks. OTOH, maybe it was that I didn&#39;t expect any.<br /><br />In my trip to the other world, I met some interesting people who only had a bowl of rice a couple of times a week and all the edible weed roots they could find.<br /><br />Of course, I left them with all I had in the way of rations knowing that I would be hungry for a little while.<br /><br />Didn&#39;t matter though, the VC killed them for having American rations - so much for a good heart.Corkyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-61298994713341224662009-07-30T07:43:39.246+12:002009-07-30T07:43:39.246+12:00It is comical and yet terrifying what nonsense people believe in. <br /><br />The SkepticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-6911274417841282992009-07-30T07:40:40.923+12:002009-07-30T07:40:40.923+12:00Whatever you ask:<br /><br />God help us if any of us is subjected to the tortures you mentioned! I marvel at the exemplary courage and strength of belief which martyred saints have displayed throughout the ages! <br /><br />Man has wrestled with the issue of free will from day one. The existence of free will not only means that incredible evil is one of the possible choices, but time or room for repentence is also provided, meaning that the evil can persist longer than most of us could stand or would deem logical.<br />Civilized and or Godly government attempts to deter, limit, or punish the evil, but in this current world evil will always remain an option, as will some incredibly good acts as well.<br /><br />BBByker Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-10670846611545186462009-07-30T06:33:54.719+12:002009-07-30T06:33:54.719+12:00Corky, I&#39;m surprised that you didn&#39;t make this connection. One of my passions is the dying continent of Africa. I always felt that it was abominable for the Armstrongs and their imitators to exploit starving and diseased Africans by picturing their likenesses on the covers of their magazines, and yet do nothing to help alleviate their starvation, or their plight in general. Worse, they prohibited us from contributing to funds whose missions was to aid these totally helpless individuals! <br /><br />I am no longer prohibited from having compassion for, or aiding the African people, and delight in contributing to a wonderful organization which digs wells so that the Africans can have non-polluted water to drink, shoes for them to help control parasitic infection, food, education, and best of all, the gospel of Jesus Christ so that they can learn to govern themselves in a loving, fair, and just way. My church (not an ACOG!) has a strong missionary program, in which members can spend a few weeks, months, or years in Africa or South America administering to disadvantaged people, and I may become involved in this sometime in the future.<br /><br />So, your seemingly logical post missed the key link in the blessing chain. To tell the whole story, God provides transmissions for people who help feed and educate the starving. <br /><br />BBByker Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-60614803172952323392009-07-30T01:26:29.836+12:002009-07-30T01:26:29.836+12:00&quot;I asked God to show me His will for that car. A week later, I have a working transmission, a rebuild kit for it, the original factory service manual, and the tranny was delivered to my house, all for $275! God did for me something which I had been unable to accomplish on my own.&quot;<br /><br />I&#39;ve never figured out why God gives someone a transmission for a car and yet won&#39;t help a young man screaming for God before somone cuts his head off or burns him a pit he had to dig with his own hands....Whatever You Ask....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-89439081826932329272009-07-29T18:08:45.528+12:002009-07-29T18:08:45.528+12:00Did someone say that Satan created the dinosaurs?<br /><br />Was that in one of Herb&#39;s or Ted&#39;s booklets?Melnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-15506664410704916222009-07-29T13:34:12.903+12:002009-07-29T13:34:12.903+12:00&quot;Of course, the anecdote you just dribbled out isn&#39;t proof at all.&quot;<br /><br />Actually it is proof of something... the archeology is REAL!<br /><br />The suddenness of it all tends to disprove evolution.<br /><br />And it certainly proves Sabbath was extant long before the Bible was written. Long long before...<br /><br />And it does show the Sabbath i.e. &quot;Sabattu&quot; is intrinsically linked to the beginning of modern civilization.<br /><br />It actually proves allot...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-91127124801129901562009-07-29T09:35:03.237+12:002009-07-29T09:35:03.237+12:00I see that BykerBob is laboring under the impression that God finds transmissions for cars instead of food for the starving.<br /><br />I reckon that, in his mind, God is like a genie in a bottle if you have the right spirit. Otherwise, starve you suffering little children, God has no use for you.<br /><br />On the other hand, look what God allowed to happen to millions of Jews (and Christians) during WWII. I think that they were praying also but to no avail, God did not intervene.<br /><br />But, God will find a transmission for Bob?<br /><br />No, I think I&#39;ll let that blessing train pull out of the station, I don&#39;t like the way your god operates the train.Corkyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-31325957938730168872009-07-29T02:13:36.342+12:002009-07-29T02:13:36.342+12:00&quot;Theists can prove that their God exists&quot;<br /><br />Then do it already. I&#39;ve been waiting for years for someone to do that. While you&#39;re at it, put it in a peer-reviewed paper and send it to a scientific journal, I&#39;m sure you&#39;ll be famous beyond measure.<br /><br />Of course, the anecdote you just dribbled out isn&#39;t proof at all.Russell Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03551250544512295798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-27713424824292523162009-07-28T16:56:01.552+12:002009-07-28T16:56:01.552+12:00Something very different happened about between 3000 &amp; 4000 BC. It was the beginning of civilization as we know it.<br /><br />The archeological record shows this was quite sudden and quite dramatic. But it was not the result of evolution. <br /><br />There is no scientific explanation for what happened in Mesopotamia.<br /><br />The Sabbath is also first mentioned in this context, not by Hebrews, but by Mesopotamians.<br /><br />&quot; The Mesopotamians were also the first to celebrate the Sabbats, which were held in accordance with the lunar calendar. The very word Sabbat (or Sabbath) derives from the Assyrian word Sabattu, which means “a day of rest for the heart,” while the Akkadian equivalent meant “a day of completion of labor.”&quot;<br /><br />So is the creation story in Genesis more true then most people believe? <br /><br />Did God create something, someone, and or change something some 6000 years ago?<br /><br />Is that why civilization started?<br /><br />There is the record of the Sabbath going back some 6000 years in non-biblical sources. <br /><br />Did God give the Sabbath at the same time?<br /><br />http://www.gnosticrob.com/sumerian/mesopotamiahistory.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-13265994916576142672009-07-28T16:52:20.315+12:002009-07-28T16:52:20.315+12:00Atheism Is Itself A Delusion said... <br />&quot;McGrath suggests that rather a lot of scientists do believe in God.&quot;<br /><br />This is the Logical Fallacy of APPEAL TO AUTHORITY<br /><br />www.logicalfallacies.infoTkach's $wiss Bamkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-608053100815735352009-07-28T15:54:48.689+12:002009-07-28T15:54:48.689+12:00Yes, it takes a lot of irrational faith to be a strong atheist!<br /><br />SuperMan<br />------------------------------<br />NOPE! It doesn&#39;t take any faith at all to NOT believe something. I don&#39;t believe that you are superman, for example. I don&#39;t even believe you are Clark Kent.Corkyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-37309906989687227112009-07-28T15:36:36.111+12:002009-07-28T15:36:36.111+12:00Larry said...<br /><br />BUT, atheism is also based on the premise that sentient, complex life (which without question DOES exist) can arise from the chaos of nature either normally or by accident.<br />================================<br />No, Larry, it&#39;s not. Atheism is simply the disbelief in your God.<br /><br />That evolution and other sciences back up the conclusion that atheists have come to has nothing to do with atheism itself.<br /><br />Atheism is unbelief - that&#39;s it. The reasons for unbelief are varied. Mine is that there is simply no proof or evidence of the existence of any gods. Therefore, I don&#39;t believe that there are any gods or even anything supernatural in our natural world.<br /><br />A person doesn&#39;t need any evidence for not believing something. It&#39;s the believer who needs to have evidence, or else what they believe can simply be dismissed.Corkyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-49295694530459942542009-07-28T12:21:57.676+12:002009-07-28T12:21:57.676+12:00At his valedictory,our Zoology professor told us that there was no conflict between God and evolution,for those of a religious persuasion.<br /><br />What a wonderful compromise.<br /><br />God used evolution in the creation process.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />JorgheinzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com