Comments on Ambassador Watch: Aaaarrrrggghhh!!!

"The Bible does not predict world events in advanc...

2008-03-13T12:33:00.000+13:00

"The Bible does not predict world events in advance."

Apparently you have missed the sign of the Pope dressed in red garters and lingerie as the Whore of Babylon trying to ride a n elephant, duck, leopard, monkey, ostrich, crocodile, horse, pig, sheep, and cat all tied together at the beach.

Pay up quick or you'll have forfeited your seat on Armstrongs private jet to the rock hole Jordan when world war III kicks off!

Paul,Seriously, you are entitled to your views, an...

2008-02-05T18:54:00.000+13:00

Paul,

Seriously, you are entitled to your views, and I'm sure that like most of us, you've done some careful studying to support them.

I was just giving you a hard time because you're campaigning for Ron Paul here on a religious recovery/accountability blog. Others (or maybe yourself under a different screen name) are doing this on other ACOG related sites, and for the same candidate.

I haven't decided who I'm going to vote for, as I'm still weighing all the issues. I can tell you that I did not vote for Perot in '92, and am unlikely to vote for an independent, in spite of the fact that my personal political views are more in sync with the Libertarian Party than with the Republocratsicans (major parties).

BB

Bob, you got me. We are a bunch of...well...kooks....

2008-02-05T14:24:00.000+13:00

Bob, you got me. We are a bunch of...well...kooks. Many of us support Ron Paul in hopes that marijuana will be legalized. The rest of us support him because it's chic on campus. None of us understand nor care about the real issues of the day, like Fighting The War on Terror or protecting the little guy from Corporate Interests. Hell, I only used the word "constitution" in my former posts because it was on my word of the day calender.

Paul

Why how nice. Sounds like a collection of fairly ...

2008-02-05T11:48:00.000+13:00

Why how nice. Sounds like a collection of fairly professional individuals. Typically, how is their mental stability? Any signs of paranoia, or imbalance?

What other political action groups do they take part in? Any militia members, or KKK? What's their average IQ? Any MENSA members or Rhodes Scholars?

BB

"Bob looks at the types of people who are embracin...

2008-02-05T03:59:00.000+13:00

"Bob looks at the types of people who are embracing Ron Paul and realizes he's seen all he needs to see!"

My local Ron Paul Meetup group (the grassroots portion of the campaign that raised almost 20 mil for Ron Paul in the 4th Q) is comprised of mainly middle-aged professionals, including scientists, business men, engineers, ect.

Paul

3) Bob looks at the types of people who are embra...

2008-02-04T15:37:00.000+13:00

3) Bob looks at the types of people who are embracing Ron Paul and realizes he's seen all he needs to see!

BB

"Yes Paul, but that will never happen. Not even if...

2008-02-04T08:13:00.000+13:00

"Yes Paul, but that will never happen. Not even if Ron Paul got elected. It's way too late now."

Of course...but it wouldn't hurt to have a Constitutionally-minded President to throw some much needed cold water on Congress and the public.

Paul

"Happy tinfoil to ya!"Either two conclusions here:...

2008-02-04T08:11:00.000+13:00

"Happy tinfoil to ya!"

Either two conclusions here:

1. Bob simply doesn't have the time to demonstrate how Ron Paul and his policies are dangerous and nutty.

2. Bob can't demonstrate this because Ron Paul and his policies aren't dangerous and nutty...and Bob knows it.

Paul

Paul said:The important thing is we need to return...

2008-02-04T02:44:00.000+13:00

Paul said:

The important thing is we need to return our nation to it's original course.

Yes Paul, but that will never happen. Not even if Ron Paul got elected. It's way too late now. He could not undo in a mere 8 years (assuming he wasn't assassinated and he even got reelected) what has taken the last 150 years to do. The slide is now irreversible.

The best chance we had for that to happen was lost to us when the South lost their bid to secede from the Union of States. They wanted a divorce. But old Abe there said, "Nothing doing. This marriage is eternal."

After that, nothing stood in the way of the Federal Govt. from becoming the spousal abusing Almighty Govt. Which is exactly what it has become, and is now bankrupt. And has been bankrupt for quite some time.

But the drunken orgy can't continue. The Fed can't abuse the populace forever. Sooner or later, the spouse is going to catch him asleep one night and the dagger will be sunk deep.

Many of us here won't be around to see it, but the two "lines" will cross somewhere around 2040 (if not sooner). At that point it will take the entire federal budget just to cover all of our "entitlement" programs. If I were a young man again, I would get back into the survivalist movement (sans the nutty Armstrongology) and get prepared for the coming chaos in the streets. New Orleans right after Katrina was just a little fore taste.

Speaking of which, I'm glad I bought that mountain bike yesterday. :-)

'The Bible does not predict world events in advanc...

2008-02-03T23:27:00.000+13:00

'The Bible does not predict world events in advance'

A major impact on world events was the life and subsequent influence of Jesus.

The Scriptures testified of him over previous centures, millennia

Hey Paul,Happy tinfoil to ya! I do form my own op...

2008-02-03T18:47:00.000+13:00

Hey Paul,

Happy tinfoil to ya!

I do form my own opinions. I just happen to like a lot of input in so doing. Medved, in particular, is a great thinker. But, I'm not one of his disciples.

BTW, I believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a vibrant, living, breathing document that is flexible enough to change with our modern times. This antiquated notion of a static blueprint that must be gotten back to (like the faith once delivered) has been used to promote a great deal of stupidity. The past is the past. No way did the founding fathers have to deal with the extreme debauchery that is now routine for the criminal class.

BB

It may have been China HWA referred to when he pro...

2008-02-03T16:51:00.000+13:00

It may have been China HWA referred to when he proudly informed us all that he had prophesied Christ to them as he told them that, "A strong hand from somewhere" (or similar words) would come to them. If they believed him at all, they likely thought that the 'strong hand from somewhere' would be Buddah.

Tired Skeptic-Actually, HWA did visit China and me...

2008-02-03T16:07:00.000+13:00

Tired Skeptic-

Actually, HWA did visit China and met with Mao's successor Deng Xiaping among others. It's mentioned in the November 18, 1984 co-worker letter.

I remember hearing a sermon in which he bragged and claimed that meeting(and other meetings) indicated that he was the end-time Elijah, iirc.

Actually, prophecy is quite real, legitimate and a...

2008-02-03T13:25:00.000+13:00

Actually, prophecy is quite real, legitimate and accurate. Just because those in the time frame you like to knock still had a lot to learn doesn't mean at all that it isn't real. Try this one on for size: http://www.64prn.com
And, watch the video on Gaza which is 48 minutes long. Then, return every few days or so and watch more of the real McCoy. Nothing like what you are talking about and ridiculing. Have fun.

My Vision if God and Jesus do return during a skep...

2008-02-03T12:58:00.000+13:00

My Vision if God and Jesus do return during a skeptical phase of life.

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was
walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the
sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he
noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one
belonging to him, and the other to the Lord.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he
looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the path of his life
there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed
that it happened at the very lowest and saddest
times in his life. This really bothered him and he
questioned the Lord about it.

"Lord, You said that
once I decided to follow you, You'd walk with me all
the way. But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life, there is only one set
of footprints. I don't understand why when I needed
you most you would leave me." The

Lord replied,

"My son, My precious child, I love you but I left you to walk alone. During your times of trial and
suffering, when you see only one set of footprints,they were yours. I don't like walking in sand as you were doing and felt you would learn more walking alone and thinking your experiences through. Otherwise I would have had to carry you like a big baby and we both would have sunk deeper into the sand. Sometimes you need time by yourself. Sometimes you have to loose your mind to come to your senses and the walk alone will do you good"

The Bible does not predict world events in advance...

2008-02-03T11:41:00.000+13:00

The Bible does not predict world events in advance.

Those of us who still have some measure of faith (in God, not a church or a pastor) expect Jesus will come back someday.

What will those of you agreeing with that quote about the Bible say then?

The utter failure of ArmstrongismBeyond what Gavin...

2008-02-03T10:51:00.000+13:00

The utter failure of Armstrongism

Beyond what Gavin stated to kick off the topic is the issue, And this gospel will be preached to all nations. For some of us, the ears are still ringing from Herbert Armstrong bellowing it from the pulpit. He pretended that going to the leaders for a fancy feast dinner at his own expense [ours, really] was sufficient to fulfill "The Great Commission".

He never really got to China, and therein hangs a tale. The Chinese, being busy getting ready to build their dam, didn't have time for him. And besides...

Yes, there are Christians in China and they have been there a long time. There are also Jewish converts, truth be told. And let's not forget the Sabbatarians. Someone else did the work. Maybe even those missionaries from the very church he betrayed for his own self-aggrandizement over issues he even later adopted. Or maybe not, maybe it was an earlier work from long ago.

So the Sabbath keeping Christians of China may be growing for all we know and there might be quite a few numerically.

One thing we do know for certain: That if there is, it wasn't because of Herbert Armstrong, but....

There are those of the church of gods persuasion of my acquaintance from outside the United States who have taken it upon themselves to attempt to enter into association of certain people in China. Trust me, this is not a good thing: It is utterly amazing how evil works can take root when aggressive psychopaths become established.

It should be noted that noted that Herbert Armstrong was responsible for certain ones of the church of gods persuasion to get started in the first place, along with not so vigilant field ministers who did nothing to stop the cult from developing.

"What's wrong with taxing to support the services ...

2008-02-03T09:10:00.000+13:00

"What's wrong with taxing to support the services provided by government? Like roads, defense..."

I don't have a problem with that, but I sincerely doubt it takes that much of the citizen's paycheck to accomplish these goals.

"...and our social safety net?"

I have no problem with helping out those who simply cannot, in no way, provide for themselves. But we are both aware that these people make up a small fraction of those that the welfare state caters to.

"And, what's wrong with the Patriot Act? I like it."

Number one, it violates our civil liberties. Secondly, in the wrong hands, it can be used to turn this nation into a police state/totalitarian government.

"The last thing we need is some kookaboo radically disrupting the status quo"

Ahhhh...there we go. The number one response I get from people opposed to Ron Paul. It's so much easier to use the word "nut," or "kook" instead of putting together a lucid, evidence-based argument as to why Ron Paul's policies are dangerous.

"... and starting a horrible depression and social upheaval."

Exactly how would his policies lead to this?

"We don't need a revolution, we need minor tuneup."

Then you find no fault with our current conditions? I suggest you read, or re-read, the Constitution, and do a bit of digging on the intent of the founding fathers and the circumstances surrounding the birth of this nation.

"And, lastly, who says I get the totality of my opinions from and want to pattern my entire life after Michael Medved or Rush Limbaugh. I also listen to NPR, and am just as likely to quote them, or somebody on the McLaughlin Group."

Exactly. You get your opinions from others instead of researching the subject and forming your own opinion.

"...but you really need to think through the possible scenarios resulting from the law of unintended consequences. Oops, perhaps not. Maybe you still believe in silver bullets, and Ron Paul is your new HWA."

I want the consequences. I do not fear them. A Ron Paul presidency would not be easy for me. I may have to find another job field. Times may be tough. But I can manage. The important thing is we need to return our nation to it's original course.

Paul

I had a couple of regrettable encounters with Rex ...

2008-02-03T07:24:00.000+13:00

I had a couple of regrettable encounters with Rex Sexton at AC Big Sandy. I find it disturbing that Sexton, like evangelicals, supports Bush's adventure in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The likes of Jim Hagee actively promote our involvement there based on the idea that those who bless Israel will be blessed. Through some reshaping of the truth, Hagee sees our Iraq policy as a blessing to Israel. A dubious conclusion.

No doubt there is some similar reasoning behind behind Sexton's preachments.

I believe in Biblical prophecy but I do not believe in the BI nonsense (BI, instead of being the key to prophecy, is the error that prevents Armstrongites from understanding prophecy. Armstrongism is full of these reversals in polarity). There is a rabbi in London who I think has the correct understanding of this.

His view is that the great army that will be destroyed by Christ at his return is a US Army (if we give the names recorded a racial instead of geographic meaning). Racially, the army will consist of descendants of Gomer and Magog who settled in the British Isles and carefully recorded their geneaologies so all would know their identity, and Hispanics and Blacks, and a mix of other peoples. In other words, an army that we would recognize anywhere -- the army of the United States if America.

Since the Jews are the preservers of the scriptures, maybe Hagee and Sexton should have a look.

http://www.imninalu.net/G&M.htm

-- Neo

schizophrenia and bipolar disease fulfills a human...

2008-02-03T06:46:00.000+13:00

schizophrenia and bipolar disease fulfills a human need

For without them, there wouldn't be political candidates.

The last thing we need is some kookaboo radically ...

2008-02-03T06:25:00.000+13:00

The last thing we need is some kookaboo radically disrupting the status quo and starting a horrible depression and social upheaval.

Such as a big oil CEO turned president?

And, what's wrong with the Patriot Act?It's massiv...

2008-02-03T06:21:00.000+13:00

And, what's wrong with the Patriot Act?

It's massive and unplanned, and as all massive and unplanned things, it will come to no good end.

What's wrong with taxing to support the services p...

2008-02-03T06:10:00.000+13:00

What's wrong with taxing to support the services provided by government? Like roads, defense, and our social safety net?

And, what's wrong with the Patriot Act? I like it.

The last thing we need is some kookaboo radically disrupting the status quo and starting a horrible depression and social upheaval. Ron Paul's ONLY good is that he influences some debate topics amongst the more moderately inclined. We don't need a revolution, we need minor tuneup.

And, lastly, who says I get the totality of my opinions from and want to pattern my entire life after Michael Medved or Rush Limbaugh. I also listen to NPR, and am just as likely to quote them, or somebody on the McLaughlin Group.

Paul, you must be a binary thinker. All of the telltale signs are there. Your soundbites from Ron Paul tell one story, but you really need to think through the possible scenarios resulting from the law of unintended consequences. Oops, perhaps not. Maybe you still believe in silver bullets, and Ron Paul is your new HWA.

BB

A really, really, really BIG problem is one of not...

2008-02-03T05:57:00.000+13:00

A really, really, really BIG problem is one of not planning ahead. Herbert Arsetrong was able to cover his profligate spending in manic mode by sending out a coworker letter, but for the rest of us, that doesn't work so good. Really Big Corporations don't look beyond the next quarter's profits. And as for the political candidates... It's pretty much looking to get elected, as if nothing else mattered, but when they do, they'll all go, "Shoot, what do we do now!!!?!!".

On the other hand, you have China, which has been planning to build the biggest dam in the world for over half a century -- by consensus within the council of leadership. This is a multigenerational effort based on very high foresight. They've looked at the problems and don't see another solution -- even if it means displacing over a million people as the dam fills up. One should also note that their ideographic written language is much more complex than the simpler alphabet languages, which, at minimum, suggest that they have to develop a more complex neocortex, giving them a decided advantage in the intelligence department.

India, also, has some very advanced people, 500 million of which speak passable enough English to answer at the call centers when you need assistance with, say, your home computer. By the way, I work with a very sophisticated technologist from India. Although anecdotal, I surmise from my daily experience that the average American can't begin to compete in either the intelligence or foresight department.

Perhaps others here are right: Armstrongism must exist because it fulfills a human need, not unlike schizophrenia and bipolar disease fulfills a human need. And so far, what I've seen of it all, Armstrongism is strongly based in both schizophrenia and bipolar disease, but at least there are treatment programs for the mental diseases whereas Armstrongism seems to stand as an uncurable scourge.

As for the predictions of Armstrongism, whether they actually come to pass or not, they're in the same boat as the politicians: When they get to their destination, they'll all be saying, "Shoot! What'll we do now?!?!?!!".

It's now February add March and April. What we hav...

2008-02-03T05:26:00.000+13:00

It's now February add March and April. What we have here is about 90 days for life as we know it. For all who follow Ron Weinland, the Great Tribulation starts at the end of April.So in about 100 days or so I'm thinking that 1/3 of the USA, Canada, the UK,Australia, New Zealand,Norway, Sweden, Findland, Ireland,Switzerland,the Low countries, Iceland will be in German concentration camps.

Another 1/3 dead,and 1/3 left to hide in the woods.

So is it O.K. to skip my taxes due in April? May I cash in my 401K plan and live it up?

Not being a member of Ron's church puts me in harms way it seems.

One side of me thinks it's sick of us to call him 'ole Ronnie boy or rottin' Ron. He's a sick man. Or is he a slick con artist with a high income.

May 1st he'll have some explaining to do.