Comments on Ambassador Watch: The Wiener Effect

So if I don't stop eating pork and pulling weeds o...

2008-05-11T07:24:00.000+12:00

So if I don't stop eating pork and pulling weeds on Saturday, God will see to it that I murder and eat my own child? What a sick, ghastly god.

The Apostate Paul

Sick, Ghastly Apostate,

I am sure that gardening on the Sabbath and eating pork are just the very tip of the iceberg of your many sins. You are deliberately trying to fool your own self and other people. Add in the fact that all the thoughts of your heart are nothing but evil continually. That is why you will be in trouble.

Apostate Paul said:"Especially in the case of the ...

2008-05-06T05:15:00.000+12:00

Apostate Paul said:

"Especially in the case of the genocide of the Cannanites, why couldn't your crazy genocidal God ordered the Israelites to spare the infants and raise them according to the Law?"

Anon answered:

"The babies of these wicked people were already being abused and sacrificed in the fire to false gods by their own parents..."

And? Isn't this more of reason to save them? Are you implying that children in those types of situations should be slaughtered? Are you endorsing the policy of murdering abused children?"

"Perhaps you should stop posting until you are cured of your apostrophitis and other mental problems."

I oppose the slaughter of infants, a policy which you agree with, and you have the nerve to say that I am the one with a mental problem??

"God is God. He does as He sees fit."

Indeed he is. And if he were real (which he isn't), I would reject him out of hand and go to my death with dignity- knowing that I didn't become a servant of a wicked, genocidal God.

"If you really don't want to end up eating your own children, then maybe you should stop sinning."

So if I don't stop eating pork and pulling weeds on Saturday, God will see to it that I murder and eat my own child? What a sick, ghastly god.

The Apostate Paul

To Anon, who clearly is in favor of genocide:Can a...

2008-05-05T15:18:00.000+12:00

To Anon, who clearly is in favor of genocide:

Can an infant, let's say one to nine months old, if taken from it's environment and raised in a manner opposite from it's original environment, be different than those in it's original environment?

I ask because of the infants that existed in Sodom and Gommorah, Israel, Cannan, and those who lived prior to the flood, were all murdered by your psychotic, genocidal, insane God. Those infants did not do anything. Yet this psychotic, crazy bloodthirsty God murdered them for their parent's sins. Especially in the case of the genocide of the Cannanites, why couldn't your crazy genocidal God ordered the Israelites to spare the infants and raise them according to the Law?

Answer: Because your sick, crazy, murderous God is a sick, crazy and murderous deity. He is the "god of the desert, the god of death," much like Allah or Kali.

Apostrophitis Paul

Apostrophitis Paul,

The babies of these wicked people were already being abused and sacrificed in the fire to false gods by their own parents, just as many babies are being murdered today by the abortionists in the USA and Britain. I do hope that you are shocked by all this selfish killing by sinful people.

Your question reminded me of a woman talking about her son that she had put up for adoption when he was just a few months old, and then went to find when he turned 18 years old. He had been with a good wealthy family for those 18 years, yet he had turned out very bad, and had been nothing but trouble for them from the very start. I remember the woman laughing about how he was just like his biological father that she had fornicated with so many years ago. After a few more months with him at age 18 years, she got rid of him again. She packed his knife at the bottom of his bag and hoped she wouldn't get beat up or killed.

Perhaps you should stop posting until you are cured of your apostrophitis and other mental problems.

God is God. He does as He sees fit. Wicked people whine and whine and whine about the consequences of their behavior, but utterly refuse to behave any better. If you really don't want to end up eating your own children, then maybe you should stop sinning.

It seems that your murderous God also smote me wit...

2008-05-05T12:46:00.000+12:00

It seems that your murderous God also smote me with a sickness of apostrophitis, temporarily rendering me incapable of distinguishing "its" from "it's," as my previous post shows. What a vengeful god this God of Death truly is!

The Apostate Paul

To Anon, who clearly is in favor of genocide:Can a...

2008-05-05T11:07:00.000+12:00

Purple Hymnal videos? They aren't mine, more's the...

2008-05-05T03:53:00.000+12:00

Purple Hymnal videos? They aren't mine, more's the pity. :-)

If you have the address for them, do post!

WW,Ha! We got together with another x-wcg couple t...

2008-05-04T11:38:00.000+12:00

WW,
Ha! We got together with another x-wcg couple today. The wife mentioned she'd seen "purple hymnal" videos on youtube that had cracked her up. On the way home it occurred to me that if I remembered correctly, the PH and WW person were one in the same. Who knows, maybe you're even a trinity, lol!

Bugger. That last comment was from me.

2008-05-04T02:22:00.000+12:00

Bugger. That last comment was from me.

Hi Mel!I too was wondering if SJP had a WCG backgr...

2008-05-04T02:20:00.000+12:00

Hi Mel!

I too was wondering if SJP had a WCG background; his writing reminds me somewhat of Angela Himsel's.

Smilin',Thanks, that's interesting.Do you have a '...

2008-05-04T00:31:00.000+12:00

Smilin',
Thanks, that's interesting.
Do you have a 'wcg' background?
Not that there is anything wrong with not having one! ;-)

Dennis die Menace, Wineland Ogler and Time Waster,...

2008-05-03T15:56:00.000+12:00

Dennis die Menace,
Wineland Ogler and Time Waster,
Atrophied State of Paul's Mind,
Magazine Loving Gavin,
Etcetera:

Put away your fluffy Sunday school ideas. The Bible DOES mention many cases where God finally brought serious disaster on people. For example:

1. The great flood in Noah's time, BECAUSE the earth was full of violence.

2. The burning up of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, BECAUSE the inhabitants were all totally perverted and evil in the way they treated complete strangers.

3. The land vomiting out the inhabitants of Canaan, BECAUSE they committed all the sex sins mentioned in Leviticus 18 plus engaged in witchcraft and even sacrificed their own children in the fire.

4. The punishment of the northern Kingdom of Israel when it went into Assyrian captivity, BECAUSE generations of kings and their people "departed not from the sin of Jeroboam" who had replaced God's festivals listed in Levitcus 23 with other festivals and other priests and other gods of his own devising. And you can be sure that this was just the beginning of the evil.

5. The punishment of the southern Kingdom of Judah when it went into Babylonian captivity for 70 years, BECAUSE they had broken the Sabbath commandment and Jeremiah could not find even one person in the streets of Jerusalem who dealt honestly and sought the truth.

These Biblical stories were written for our example so that we can learn from them and not do the evil things that others have done in the past. Yet, the people in the USA and Britain today are getting into the exact same sins that were the downfall of the people in these Biblical stories.

Why would anyone rage against the laws of God? Do they themselves support the sinful and shameful behavior mentioned above? It appears that those behind the Ambassador Watch blog do!
Their hatred of good and love of evil does not go unnoticed, despite their efforts to appear to be reasonable in between their satanic rages and swearing sprees.

Dennis die Menace said... PS Leviticus has always ...

2008-05-03T14:56:00.000+12:00

Dennis die Menace said...

PS Leviticus has always been one of the great places in human understanding to look for advice on romance and human sexuality.

Yes, it is!!! I absolutely, totally agree!

Christian:"Praise be to Jesus for I am saved the M...

2008-05-03T11:43:00.000+12:00

Christian:

"Praise be to Jesus for I am saved the Messiah died for me!"

Jew:

"I don't think that word means what you think it means."

"I don't think most Jews care who Messiah is, so l...

2008-05-03T09:14:00.000+12:00

"I don't think most Jews care who Messiah is, so long as he comes and does what he's supposed to do."

Hold not thine breath

Mel, nope. I'm not a Messianic Jew, have never da...

2008-05-03T07:29:00.000+12:00

Mel, nope. I'm not a Messianic Jew, have never darkened the door of a Messianic synagogue. I am curious about Jesus and have looked, sometimes quite seriously, into what can be known about his life and teachings. He seems to have been an exemplary Jew, unusually keen on Torah and Jewish law; but I find his story evasive, not on his part, but on the part of those who, early on, reworked the pristine documents for their own purposes. I hope I'm alive when the true story is finally uncovered. I don't think most Jews care who Messiah is, so long as he comes and does what he's supposed to do.

Hey Smilin,Just curious. Are you a 'Messianic Jew'...

2008-05-02T15:15:00.000+12:00

Hey Smilin,

Just curious. Are you a 'Messianic Jew'?

You're funny, Bubeleh. Keep looking on the bright...

2008-05-02T15:05:00.000+12:00

You're funny, Bubeleh. Keep looking on the bright side.

"It's what it says. Israel was easily persuaded to...

2008-05-02T13:16:00.000+12:00

"It's what it says. Israel was easily persuaded to crack babies heads agains walls and rape the moms."

Anon, you and I just don't get it do we? You see, God never told Israel to kill anyone. In fact, God never killed anyone. It may surprise you, but if you know how to read the Bible in the correct context, you'll see that there is not one single act of violence in the Bible at all! I'm going to try harder to un-read the Bible like so many others can, so I can un-see what is not written there. I think the first step is knowing how to ignore actual words. I think a good reference in our quest for greater Biblical un-understanding would be Orwell's "1984." He has some great examples of un-reading. We could apply this to the Torah.

For example, in Zech. where it is foretold that God will punish the nations that do not come up to worship at the Feast of Tabernacles, what it really meant was that God will shower those nations with fuzzy bunnies and candy canes! Giggle and tee-hee! Bunny's tail tickles my nose! Tee-hee! Isn't God great! See how easy that is? We just have to condition ourselves to un-see the bad and see the good! Tee-hee!

The Apostate Paul

"We refer to God as The Compassionate One, or The ...

2008-05-02T12:57:00.000+12:00

"We refer to God as The Compassionate One, or The Holy One, Blessed be He. This terminology could never have been generated among people who view God as tyrannical and bloodthirsty."

Therefore, God is not bloodthirsty and tyrannical, despite what the Bible itself states! Such flawless logic, and not circular in the least!

I think this sums up the logic behind all that you've said. Speculative bullshit, all geared toward being able to dance around the icky parts of the Bible.

The Apostate Paul

"But that's only the surface reading. In reality, ...

2008-05-02T11:36:00.000+12:00

"But that's only the surface reading. In reality, Israel never stoned a child to death."

And you know this? It's what it says. Israel was easily persuaded to crack babies heads agains walls and rape the moms. So why all of a sudden is it some deeply fair and just theolgical kindness

Once you understand the Taliban and Sharia law, you will understand the OT and how it really worked. Women are beheaded every Friday in Saudia Arabia and gay teens, or accused teens are hung from cranes ..

Dear Apostate Paul,It might be nice if you abandon...

2008-05-02T10:34:00.000+12:00

Dear Apostate Paul,

It might be nice if you abandoned your grumpy pills for a day or two.

Rabbis don't cherry pick Torah commands. Quite often they build fences around them, to keep us recalcitrant Jews even farther from occasion to transgress.

Matters of jurisprudence have to change with the times. It's not about convenience. For example, when society invents space travel, how does a Jew observe Sabbath in space when Friday sundown is occurring somewhere on earth 24 hours in a row? Sabbath is a legal matter for Israelites, and Moses didn't rule on space travel, so this generation has the responsibility.

In other cases compassion must be factored into judgment, for example in the case of a rebellious child. One takes such a child to the elders of the community, seemingly to have him or her stoned to death. But that's only the surface reading. In reality, Israel never stoned a child to death.

Taking the child to community elders was for the purpose of lending competent help to the family. By all the records we have today, every child so treated was rehabilitated and later merged into society as a productive Israelite.

We refer to God as The Compassionate One, or The Holy One, Blessed be He. This terminology could never have been generated among people who view God as tyrannical and bloodthirsty. There's much more to the real picture than what meets the eye in a once-over-lightly reading of Torah in translation -- particularly when the translation has been made by people convinced that Jesus came to remove a harsh Law from human experience.

As I see it, where the Bible is concerned, misunderstanding separates humanity from Life. I find this a grievous reality, and therefore devote my energy to help mend this world in anticipation of a better world to come -- a world predicated on Law justly applied in a merciful world of free people.

And because the world would be so much the poorer without its many cultures, I cannot believe that everyone should be Jewish. On this I wholeheartedly agree with both Jesus and Paul.

"This blog resembles a roomful of Jews discussing ...

2008-05-02T04:27:00.000+12:00

"This blog resembles a roomful of Jews discussing Torah after shul any given Sabbath day."

Yes, if we could just only open our minds and hearts to get past the "literal" interpretation of things and come to see that the Law of God is really meant to be a carefree, fun-lovin group of suggestions that which we can cull through to see what fits our current lifestyles in this modern age. The problem is that we are hung up on this whole word of God thing. God never meant for his words to be taken literally, even if he did kill a shit-load of people for not following his word to the letter, I mean that was then, and this is now and we need to come to understand that the only parts of the Bible that are to be taken literally are the parts that show God in a good light, the parts that support our doctrines, and all those talking animal parts.

The Apostate Paul

This blog resembles a roomful of Jews discussing T...

2008-05-01T10:07:00.000+12:00

This blog resembles a roomful of Jews discussing Torah after shul any given Sabbath day. Everyone has an opinion and is fearless presenting it. "Quietly" is an unknown adverb. No one has a monopoly on truth, including the Rabbi. You make me feel BI might be on to something, despite their many faults. When a critter looks, waddles, quacks like a duck...

"Basically, during Jesus' time, the Scribes and Ph...

2008-05-01T06:27:00.000+12:00

"Basically, during Jesus' time, the Scribes and Pharisees were the arbiters of this oral tradition! What was going on at the temple was largely due to the cumulative effect of the oral traditions..."

The oral law- the whipping boy of Armstrong Lite. Before I left Armstrongism, this was all I heard from Ron Dart and others like him. It was the oral law, not the written law, that Jesus had a problem with- it was the oral law, not the written law, that the Apostle Paul spoke out against. It wasn't so much a problem with the Law, but how it was to be carried out. You see, the meanie-weenie Pharisees had corrupted God's beautiful and merciful Law, tightening it up and allowing no wiggle room. And this was a tragedy, because a cursory reading of the Law of God will tell you that God wanted man to have mucho wiggle room when it came to the law- which ones to keep, and how to keep them.

This is utter bullshit of course. God made it clear, as written in the Torah, what he expected concerning the Law. This oral law argument is nothing more than mental acrobatics, a loophole, to justify using the Law to obey God while totally ignoring it's clear requirements. It is, as RCM is fond of saying, intellectual dishonesty.

I'll say it again, embrace the Law totally or trash it. There is no middle ground.

The Apostate Paul

Byker Bob said... What the world needs now is a "s...

2008-05-01T04:45:00.000+12:00

Byker Bob said...
What the world needs now is a "spiritual" Snopes!"

Byker Robert! All we'd be doing is empowering and replacing the old pure true wrong Snopes with a newer version of the more pure true wrong Snopes!

Spirituality is not a group effort, I believe is my current and present truth.

What if a real God needed nothing from humans. (Praise, worship, obedience, money) Did not empower humans to provide him with what he doesn't need in the first place. (See above) And really likes Harleys? What if he/she really liked humans pretty much as they are except not the ones that behave like a bunch of crazy Israelites on the loose killing off the unchosen in love?

Ahhhh....world peace. :)