Comments on Ambassador Watch: Living U or Yale? Hmmm...

If I had all the tithes, maybe I could warn the wo...

2007-12-21T15:15:00.000+13:00

If I had all the tithes, maybe I could warn the world about the ACOGs!

On second thought, send them to Kscribe. He does a pretty good job of filling that commission.

BB

Hey, Bob:That could qualify you as being of the tr...

2007-12-21T13:07:00.000+13:00

Hey, Bob:

That could qualify you as being of the tribe of Levi, and as such are now entitled to our tithes & offerings.

Enjoy!

I always thought the Levites were cool! I mean ev...

2007-12-21T08:30:00.000+13:00

I always thought the Levites were cool! I mean everyone else was tripping around in robes, and the Levites got to design their own clothes. It is in profound admiration of them that I proudly put on my Levis every day! Sure beats the ol' linen ephod!

BTW, I can trace small groups of people who wore Levis all the way back to Aaron! It's just so inspiring to be able to be part of such a group, and to realize the true significance of the wearing of Levis!

BB

Camfinch said:>>>Well, it's been a long time since...

2007-12-20T23:12:00.000+13:00

Camfinch said:

>>>Well, it's been a long time since I've studied this, but according to the O.T. scriptures, wasn't Levi scattered throughout Israel, with no land inheritance of its own?<<<

Yes, in their role as teachers, they were scattered amongst their brethren. But after the building of the temple, in which they were required to serve, they were mostly resident in and around Jerusalem.

However, the history of Israel, from the division of the kingdom, shows that that Levi was part of the southern kingdom.

In addition, because Joseph was given a double portion via Manasseh and Ephraim, there were actually 13 tribes. Ten eventually forming the northern kingdom and three the southern.

>>>Tom, next time my wife and I visit the West Mids., you should join me in a few pints at Ma Pardoe's (the Olde Swan) in Netherton.<<<

I was there last year for a meal with some of my former work colleagues, who were based in Dudley. A very quaint place!

I don't mind joining you and your dear wife for a drink, but mine will be orange juice or coke. I do drink wine, but I have it at home with a meal.

DennisDiehl said...>>>Nice Queen's english there T...

2007-12-20T22:42:00.000+13:00

DennisDiehl said...

>>>Nice Queen's english there Tom. I think karma caught up to you. Or is that how the Queen spells?

"Infirmities."<<<

Syntax, grammar and proper subordination dear boy, constitutes much of the Queen's English.

I hope you note my spelling of the word "English" with a capital E.

Anyway, Microsoft spellchecker might make many appear to spell better than they actually can, but wizards that peep and mumble do not teach syntax and grammar.

Tom writes:"Also, in Professor Hayes introduction,...

2007-12-20T13:38:00.000+13:00

Tom writes:
"Also, in Professor Hayes introduction, she stated that Israel was divided into two kingdoms. Samaria in the North, consisting of 10 tribes, and Judah in the South, consisting of 2 tribes. This is factually incorrect. The southern kingdom consisted of 3 tribes, Judah, Benjamin and Levi. If Professor Hayes can't get historical facts right, how earth can she claim to be an authority on the bible? If what she writes is called scholarship, then, thank God I have been delivered from it!"

Well, it's been a long time since I've studied this, but according to the O.T. scriptures, wasn't Levi scattered throughout Israel, with no land inheritance of its own? If so, it might not "count" as a resident tribe in Judah. Judah and Benjamin would have had the inheritance of land. But then again, it is thought by many that at the Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom that it was primarily the aristocracy that were carried away, leaving many Israelites in a desolate situation, and that many of them migrated southward to Judah and amalgamated with the Judahites and Benjamites, creating the tribal mix that resulted in Jewry as we know it.

Tom, next time my wife and I visit the West Mids., you should join me in a few pints at Ma Pardoe's (the Olde Swan) in Netherton. We rent out a house just down the street from the wondrous pub. But no theological arguing!

Tom, said to Dennis"Next time you hear voices, ask...

2007-12-20T12:56:00.000+13:00

Tom, said to Dennis

"Next time you hear voices, ask them to teach you how to write what they say to you, using the Queen's English. Then I might be persuaded that they are the voices of wisdom.

Then Tom said:

"If you had been converted, you would have recognised HWA as a servant of God, despite his human infermities."

Nice Queen's english there Tom. I think karma caught up to you. Or is that how the Queen spells?

"Infirmities."

"...what power was responsible for preserving the ...

2007-12-20T05:28:00.000+13:00

"...what power was responsible for preserving the bible and the Jewish people from the insane and malevolent attacks of the pagans?"

The Jewish people.

Paul

Anonymous Anonymous said...>>>Yale Prof. Hales sa...

2007-12-19T22:34:00.000+13:00

Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>Yale Prof. Hales says:<<<

What conclusions do you want us to draw from what she said?

Her introduction to the course strips the bible of its divine origin and reduces it to the status of a pagan document. But what Professor Hayes fails to note is, that the recorded history of the heathen nations surrounding Israel or with whom Israel had contact were piece together from archaeological fragments. Whereas, Israel history is documented in a book that has survived savage persecutions, conflagrations and utter detestation by their enemies, and formed moral basis for what is now laughingly called, western civilisation!

The question that has not occurred to Professor Hayes is, what power was responsible for preserving the bible and the Jewish people from the insane and malevolent attacks of the pagans?

Also, in Professor Hayes introduction, she stated that Israel was divided into two kingdoms. Samaria in the North, consisting of 10 tribes, and Judah in the South, consisting of 2 tribes. This is factually incorrect. The southern kingdom consisted of 3 tribes, Judah, Benjamin and Levi. If Professor Hayes can't get historical facts right, how earth can she claim to be an authority on the bible? If what she writes is called scholarship, then, thank God I have been delivered from it!

And these are only a few of the gaping holes in Professor Hayes "Introduction to the Bible."

Yale Prof. Hales says: "Now, Jeremiah prophesied--...

2007-12-19T20:38:00.000+13:00

Yale Prof. Hales says:

"Now, Jeremiah prophesied--I'm going to do some math now, so this is dangerous. Jeremiah prophesied in the early sixth century and the chapters of Daniel were written many centuries later, someone can figure it out, in the 160's. So was Jeremiah prophesying falsely when he said that God would deliver Israel from her enemies and establish a kingdom in Judah in 70 years? No, not according to the book of Daniel, because in the book of Daniel it's said that Jeremiah also was speaking in a code. Jeremiah meant that 70 weeks of years, which is to say 490 years, would pass before the consummation of all things. And the last week was the reign Antiochus Epiphanes: we are in the last week of these years now.

So the writer is maintaining that he is living in the last days, in the final moments of the last week of years, and this is very typical of apocalyptic literature."

"Now in Daniel, this phrase, the Son of Man--which generally means mortal as opposed to divine in the Bible, but--in Daniel the phrase seems to refer to a figure that's in human form, but more than a human. Probably an angel like Michael or Gabriel. (Both of them are represented as leaders against the forces of Persia and Greece.) And this figure establishes an everlasting kingdom to replace the bestial kingdoms that have preceded it.

So the Son of Man overwhelms the little horn Antiochus, who is said to be making war on saints (that's a code for loyal Jews), who is said to have been trying to change their law and abolish their religion--and we know that these were parts of the persecution in 167 to 164 by Antiochus. He tried to stop worship in the sanctuary and so on.

In a third vision then, the horn that represents Antiochus is said to trample the land of splendor (Israel), to challenge the army of heaven, to remove the perpetual sacrifice (Antiochus did halt the sacrificial service in the temple) and to set up an "abomination of desolation" on the sacrificial altar (and we know that Antiochus set up some kind of pagan altar on the sacrificial altar in the temple in Jerusalem and erected a statue of Zeus in the sanctuary). So this depiction of the persecution under Antiochus is presented here, but it's presented in veiled form for reasons of safety."

Re 'deifying' HWA. The following I thought was an ...

2007-12-19T11:59:00.000+13:00

Re 'deifying' HWA.

The following I thought was an interesting comment by Mark Armstrong - grandson of HWA, and currently leading the 'Intercontinental COG'.

"How many abuses will be committed in the name of my deceased Grandfather? And how long will some poor abused people remain in a state of deception, or worse, mind control?

I realize that there is a lot of legitimate respect among the churches of God for Herbert W. Armstrong. But honestly! He was not a deity, and no one should be blindly obeying any men, ministers, or otherwise, who falsely claim his authority."

Tom,You funny, but is your name really Richard Mar...

2007-12-19T10:49:00.000+13:00

Tom,

You funny, but is your name really Richard Markland? You sound like him!

Your dear friend out of Christ,
Rev. Kscribe

Saint Tom saith: "Christians don't have heroes. Th...

2007-12-19T07:01:00.000+13:00

Saint Tom saith: "Christians don't have heroes. They recognise men and women who have laboured in the service of God, and esteem them highly for their work sake."

Sure Tom, I agree. I hold Mother Teresa, Pope J-P II, Rev Bragg, and Brother David in very high esteem. Since herbie never labored in the service of anyone other than himself, I hold him in contempt.

Saint Tom saith: "If you had been converted, you would have recognised HWA as a servant of God, despite his human infermities. But you were just a tare among the wheat. So now that you have been uprooted, you have become bitter and twisted against God's servant and his children. But it will not be done with impunity!"

Are you now implying that you are one of herbie's children??? If that isn't deifying herbie than I don't know what else is.

I left on my own accord. I am very grateful that I was not irretrievably converted. Sadly, right before I stopped attending we got a new pastor and I didn't really get a chance to know him very well and he has since died. Dennis Diehl had some very nice things to say about him. (Mr. B.)

Again I will ask you, what make herbie above criticism that unkind things cannot be said about him without 'impunity'?

Saint Tom saith: "What does being fat, thin, short, tall, ugly or handsome has to do with one's character or wisdom? "Judge not according to appearance," is Jesus' command to you!"

My comment was to show you that herbe was a short fat man and that is all! He did not have any supernatural powers or authority. What he did have was a bad case of bi-polar disease and as well as an unhealthy dose of megalomania. He was also a first rate hypocrite and had a near 100% failure rate on his prophecies and predictions.

I believe there is a scripture that tells us if a man says something and the thing does not come to pass, then you shall not listen to him.

herbie said a lot of things...they didn't come to pass, and I no longer listen to him, or any of them.

Tom says,"If you had been converted, you would hav...

2007-12-19T06:51:00.000+13:00

Tom says,
"If you had been converted, you would have recognised HWA as a servant of God, despite his human infermities. But you were just a tare among the wheat."

"Infirmatives" is what you call incest, false prophecies, causing unnecessary divorces, causing financial ruin, causing death, pain and suffering?

Our problem was that we did see HWA as a servant of God. We were wrong - and so are you.

Charlie said:>>>You continue to amaze me with the ...

2007-12-19T06:16:00.000+13:00

Charlie said:

>>>You continue to amaze me with the stupid things you post.<<<

Wisdom is justified of her children.

>>>How on earth can you consider applying an unflattering nickname to a reprobate like herbie a "profound folly"?? Your hero, herbie, was a short fat man.<<<

Christians don't have heroes. They recognise men and women who have laboured in the service of God, and esteem them highly for their work sake.

If you had been converted, you would have recognised HWA as a servant of God, despite his human infermities. But you were just a tare among the wheat. So now that you have been uprooted, you have become bitter and twisted against God's servant and his children. But it will not be done with impunity!

What does being fat, thin, short, tall, ugly or handsome has to do with one's character or wisdom? "Judge not according to appearance," is Jesus' command to you!

Rev. Kscibe said:>>>Tom, substance my evil foe win...

2007-12-19T05:55:00.000+13:00

Rev. Kscibe said:

>>>Tom, substance my evil foe wins arguments.<<<

After writing the above, your substance is to slander HWA, by accusing him of being a child molester. Then when I thought it was impossible for you to descend any further into the cesspit of depravity, you then implied that I was also a child molester. If this is what you call substance, then irrationality is rational!

But then, if you are indeed a Rev., it would be natural for you to hate God and his children, for all Revs are ministers of Satan.

DennisDiehl said... >>>I swear, I lie not, this re...

2007-12-19T05:34:00.000+13:00

DennisDiehl said...

>>>I swear, I lie not, this really happened! :)<<<

Next time you hear voices, ask them to teach you how to write what they say to you, using the Queen's English. Then I might be persuaded that they are the voices of wisdom.

"The men and women under whom he studied no longer...

2007-12-19T04:41:00.000+13:00

"The men and women under whom he studied no longer believed that the Bible was the inspired word of God. Their studies of the original languages and of early texts had taken them beyond the quagmire of doubt and had planted them in the firm soil of unbelief."

Shouldn't that tell you something?

Paul

The modern hornsmith Lee Larkin, whose powder horn...

2007-12-19T03:22:00.000+13:00

The modern hornsmith Lee Larkin, whose powder horns are seen in the movies The Patriot and Alamo, lacks completing his dissertation [ABD] for his doctorate in Historical Theology. Among other reasons for not completing his degree was the lack of faith, lack of belief of his professors. The men and women under whom he studied no longer believed that the Bible was the inspired word of God. Their studies of the original languages and of early texts had taken them beyond the quagmire of doubt and had planted them in the firm soil of unbelief. Lee was not willing to follow them to his death, but many other disciples have, with these many others now holding graduate degrees and pastorates, large and small, where from pulpits every Sunday they look down on their congregations of believers, each identifying him or herself as a Christian. Yes, they look down on the simple faith of those disciples who still believe, who would contend for the faith once delivered if those disciples knew what that faith was. They look down on the ignorance of disciples who may have heard of “J” and “P” but who don’t understand the significance of these creation accounts or of even why the Old Testament occupies most of the Bible. They look down on those disciples who sit in rear pews. They look with concealed distain at those disciples whose suits look like “church clothes,” whose Bibles are dog-eared. They smile as they look down on the entirety of the congregation, for the smile comes with degree, perhaps the reason why Lee doesn’t smile when he talks about his graduate school professors.

The denominations and sects employing both professors and pastors who have been educated unto unbelief represent visible Christendom, but the problem of unbelief isn’t confined to the Church. The British educator and poet Matthew Arnold wrote in “Stanzas from the Grande Chartreuse” (1855),

For rigorous teachers seized my youth,
And purged its faith, and trimm’d its fire,
Show’d me the high, white star of Truth,
There bade me gaze and there aspire.
Even now their whispers pierce the gloom:
What dost thou in this living tomb? [stanza break]
Forgive me, masters of the mind!
At whose behest I long ago
So much unlearnt, so much resign’d— (lines 67–75)

What Arnold had unlearned was simple belief in God, what the monks at the abbey displayed as they tended their gardens. Arnold’s unbelief came from his “rigorous teachers” who had him gaze at Truth other than that to which Christ Jesus bore witness (John 18:37). And three, four, five generations of rigorous teachers later, what modern professors and pastors initially learned was what comes from empirical sciences based on observations and experimentations that cannot nor do not attempt to answer the question of why things happen at the foundational level, such as why a Big Bang or any bang occurred. For them, the Genesis creation story is merely one of two creation myths in the Bible.

Theory, theories, and observations confirming theories end where it becomes impossible to measure a position to a precision of less than the Planck length, or to measure duration to a precision greater than the time required for a photon traveling at the speed of light to travel a Planck length. Therefore, by the self-imposed limit of observation empirical sciences reject revelation and become distant cousins to Buddhism, which avoids conjecture about the origins of the universe or the origins of life, focusing instead on more the physical application of how to become a better person, thereby saving the person from suffering by obtaining Nirvana.

But the problem of unbelief is really not a problem for most of those who do not believe. They strive to better understand what can be observed. Their thoughts remain focused on what can be known, not on what cannot. Therefore, they never make a journey to an abbey at any Grande Chartreuse, where they might see the futility of this world—they have not been born of Spirit so their thoughts are only those of this world. Any enlightenment they may have is from this world, where all things are physical. Only rarely will they, on a personal level, ever encounter a disciple who has truly been born of Spirit, and then, they will most likely conclude that the disciple simply suffers from a lack of enlightenment. Hence, they can and usually will (and perhaps should) dismiss disciples as uneducated hicks, the hayseeds of a failed educational system, the refuge from an overtly superstitious age.

Tom said..."you made the comment, you retreated in...

2007-12-18T15:04:00.000+13:00

Tom said...
"you made the comment, you retreated into your little cocoon of self-pity and doubt, nursing a gaping wound from the two edged sword of the Word."

Yes, everyone likes a pity party Tom, however the double edge sword of Armstrong's gauud(and the gauud you share with him)is one of plastic, not metal!

Tom, substance my evil foe wins arguments.

Now Tom I must ask you this very important question. Do you follow Armstrong, and if you do, how many children have YOU molested? One? Two?? Perhaps three? I do know about the testimony of at least 2 witnesses concerning Saint Herb. Will any come forward to accuse you Tom? I hope not. I just hope that you are only mentally ill, and not a child abuser.

So Tom, what is your humble opinion on the Herbster? Guilty or not guilty? Your character is now under the microscope..... Can you be honest and sincere?

Folks, place your bets!!!

Rev. Kscribe.

off topic but if anyone wants Dave Pack's "Clarion...

2007-12-18T13:40:00.000+13:00

off topic but if anyone wants Dave Pack's "Clarion Call" sermon, email me and i"ll send it to you.

"Send it in....either you believe we have 3, 5, 7,9 (23,56, 106) years left or you don't." :) I added the parenthetic part.

DennisDiehl said... Come on Tom...they called y...

2007-12-18T12:59:00.000+13:00

DennisDiehl said...

Come on Tom...they called you "Smugger" didnt they?

They called him a wooley pratt.

Corky said: That sounds like spirit possession to ...

2007-12-18T11:43:00.000+13:00

Corky said: That sounds like spirit possession to me. Indwelling is indwelling.

There’s a difference between dwelling in a house and possessing a house. As a child I dwelled in a house, but didn’t possess it. Today as an adult I dwell in a house and, er, the bank possesses it --- for another 30 years anyway.

But my Sobriquet as a kid was "Mess" because I puk...

2007-12-18T10:19:00.000+13:00

But my Sobriquet as a kid was "Mess" because I puked in a friend's car on the way to the lake.

But I asked God, when I went into the Church to NOT have to confess this to the minister, and I was spared. Somehow, "And now for the sermon, Mr. Mess Diehl" just sounded bad.

However, the up side is that when someone says..."you're a mess," I can freely say, "Yes I am but that was a one time event a long time ago and I'd appreciate it if you'd not mention that again."

Come on Tom...they called you "Smugger" didnt they?

"Corky and the rest of the cabal, who hide under v...

2007-12-18T10:08:00.000+13:00

"Corky and the rest of the cabal, who hide under various sobriquets'

I"m sorry, guilty here. My full name is Dennis Carlton Diehl'

What was your full name Tom?...I forget.