Comments on Ambassador Watch: Mississippi Mud Cake redivivus

Anonymous said... Hey Steve K, there is a new book...

2007-03-28T01:24:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...
Hey Steve K, there is a new book out on Amazon written by Robert Sutton, Phd. Get it, it would be instructive for you on how not to live your life.

Cheers.

MY COMMENT: Does he promote COG dogma, as you do? How do you know how I live my life? :-)

Steve K

Hey Steve K, there is a new book out on Amazon wri...

2007-03-27T17:04:00.000+12:00

Hey Steve K, there is a new book out on Amazon written by Robert Sutton, Phd. Get it, it would be instructive for you on how not to live your life.

Cheers.

better recheck your calendar john b....the days of...

2007-03-27T14:07:00.000+12:00

better recheck your calendar john b....

the days of unleavened bread begin at sunset on Monday, April 2....

but then, I'm sure you won't let the details get in the way ;-)

Northerner said... I'll make this final comment on...

2007-03-27T09:52:00.000+12:00

Northerner said...
I'll make this final comment on this thread to say what I find to be transcendentally wonderful in what I believe:
I believe that those around me who lead wretched or meaningless lives, those out there without understanding or knowledge of what is true will yet have a chance to be a part of God's kingdom.

MY COMMENT: That includes those of you who THINK you have the truth.

This makes me glad, whereas my previous understanding of people in our world who haven't accepted Jesus as their personal Savior spending eternity in hell was disturbing to say the least.

MY COMMENT: Did you REALLY believe that? I mean, deep down?

Things like tithing, having DUB, Day of Atonement etc. are ultra-minor issues in comparison to this one.

MY COMMENT: What?! I thought you Armstrongites believed that you had to have these "minor truths" in order to be saved.

Steve K

I'll make this final comment on this thread to say...

2007-03-27T08:54:00.000+12:00

I'll make this final comment on this thread to say what I find to be transcendentally wonderful in what I believe:
I believe that those around me who lead wretched or meaningless lives, those out there without understanding or knowledge of what is true will yet have a chance to be a part of God's kingdom. This makes me glad, whereas my previous understanding of people in our world who haven't accepted Jesus as their personal Savior spending eternity in hell was disturbing to say the least. Things like tithing, having DUB, Day of Atonement etc. are ultra-minor issues in comparison to this one.

DULB starts on April 1 this year? How appropriate...

2007-03-27T08:52:00.000+12:00

DULB starts on April 1 this year? How appropriate! All Fools Day!

Northerner said... Pretty well my position, althou...

2007-03-27T08:14:00.000+12:00

Northerner said...
Pretty well my position, although regarding exclusivity, many in the world including Islamics, Catholics, many Protestants have a notion of their own exclusivity, and for many, their own exclusivity involves those excluded going to hell. Some like the liberal Episcopalians have a view of many paths to God.

MY COMMENT: Yes, they are as exclusive as you COGers, but why try to shine the light away from yourself? You believe that your little group is any different? Look at the strange belief system that you have. You believe in a third resurrection. Not even Biblical. This is your view of one path to hell.

So what is your view steve? Many paths to God, or hell for those who deviate a little too much from your beliefs?

MY COMMENT: Nope. I'm not in your Herbie church.

Steve K

steve saidMY COMMENT: How arrogant!Actually, we be...

2007-03-27T04:27:00.000+12:00

steve said
MY COMMENT: How arrogant!Actually, we believed in our exclusivity. Our little "called" group was the only one that was going to be in the first resurrection. Any who left our exclusive group, including Joey Jr, would be in the "third" resurrection. All others, Catholics, protestants, 7th day adventists, Jews, all other COG splinters, would be in the "second" resurrection. Duh!
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Pretty well my position, although regarding exclusivity, many in the world including Islamics, Catholics, many Protestants have a notion of their own exclusivity, and for many, their own exclusivity involves those excluded going to hell. Some like the liberal Episcopalians have a view of many paths to God.

So what is your view steve? Many paths to God, or hell for those who deviate a little too much from your beliefs?

Northerner said... Were you ever in a CoG jorghein...

2007-03-27T03:36:00.000+12:00

Northerner said...

Were you ever in a CoG jorgheinz? Anyone who spent any time in one should know that we believe that those who have not been called in this age (which includes practically all the Jews) will be resurrected in the second resurrection and offered salvation.

It is Catholics and also most Protestants who believe that to be a Jew is to incur eternal damnation.

MY COMMENT: How arrogant!Actually, we believed in our exclusivity. Our little "called" group was the only one that was going to be in the first resurrection. Any who left our exclusive group, including Joey Jr, would be in the "third" resurrection. All others, Catholics, protestants, 7th day adventists, Jews, all other COG splinters, would be in the "second" resurrection. Duh!

Steve K

Anonymous said... I almost share anons feelings:An...

2007-03-27T03:25:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...
I almost share anons feelings:
Anonymous said...

I am profoundly overwhelmed by the intelligence of you smart people.

I am underwhelmed by the intelligence displayed here.

MY COMMENT: "And that's why I keep coming back for more!" :-)

Steve K

Anonymous said... "And salvation is of the Jews, a...

2007-03-27T03:22:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...

"And salvation is of the Jews, as Christ said. What do the anti-Jews have then?"

MY COMMENT: You are ignorant of the meaning of the Scriptures. Jesus speaking to the Jews, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me, but you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life."

Steve K

I almost share anons feelings: Anonymous said... ...

2007-03-26T23:43:00.000+12:00

I almost share anons feelings:
Anonymous said...

I am profoundly overwhelmed by the intelligence of you smart people.

I am underwhelmed by the intelligence displayed here.

I'm not anti-Jewish. Jews and African Americans h...

2007-03-26T21:07:00.000+12:00

I'm not anti-Jewish. Jews and African Americans have made some of the best rock n roll since way back in 1955. Where would music be without the Brill Building in New York City, and the staff of very talented musicians of all ethnic backgrounds?

But, back around the first century of the common era, there was the church unto the Jews, and the Noachide church unto the Gentiles.
Part of the HWAcaca was the twisting Paul's words and teachings to make them appear to have conformed to Judaism. But, they didn't. No how, no way! There were always different standards for Jews, and the Gentiles who had seen the merits of the Jewish religion and wanted to participate. Basically, it involved avoiding lasciviousness, and not eating things sacrificed to pagan idols. The basic 613 never did apply to Gentiles, or Gentile converts.

All cultures survive, and their participants can be happy no matter what the native customs happen to be. A holiday, in or of itself, is not going to make you
happy or sad. I wouldn't want to observe a holiday involving human sacrifice, or orgiastic behavior, but beyond that, it makes no difference to me whether a person aspires to be a spiritual Jew, spiritual Mexican, Asian, African, or whatever. It's the concept of the transformed or circumcised heart that counts, and how one treats his/her fellow humans. If a church has intrusive Nicolaitane leadership, it's probably a Satan-influenced cult.

Northerner,Yes, I was a COG member for decades.And...

2007-03-26T19:13:00.000+12:00

Northerner,

Yes, I was a COG member for decades.And yes, I am aware of what we were taught about the second resurrection.And yes,you are right,the dead of the world,including Jews,will be raised after the thousand years are over.

Yes,yes,Northener, we all know what you say, and you are correct.
I was indulging in some comparative hyperbole to hopefully prove a point about the "up-themselves" COGS but obviously it fell flat.

Some of those COGs feel so superior about their inside track to God,you would think,that besides them,the Jew, the preferred ones,rank insignificantly in the salvation stakes.

That's what I was trying to say.

jorgheinz

Gavin takes the lead - snickers, hoots, scoffs and...

2007-03-26T17:09:00.000+12:00

Gavin takes the lead - snickers, hoots, scoffs and all. And I can almost hear his equally derisive (translation: hopelessly bitter) gang or followers oblige to his baton.

Shucks! This bitterness is so comprehensive even biscuits fail to escape attention. What's next?

Saac's Son said... Most folks don't realize it, bu...

2007-03-26T16:51:00.000+12:00

Saac's Son said...
Most folks don't realize it, but, according to the legend, the Days of Unleavened Bread were simply part of the package of practices given to the Jews, to make them appear as a strange or peculiar people, reserved for Yahweh.

The harvest related festivals have no nature-related symbolic significance in Rio de Janiero, and keeping the Sabbath is a real bear in Greenland. Clearly, this stuff was all limited to the Jews in Israel.

And salvation is of the Jews, as Christ said. What do the anti-Jews have then?

Steve saidMY COMMENT: So, if I would have said, "T...

2007-03-26T16:11:00.000+12:00

Steve said
MY COMMENT: So, if I would have said, "That's an Irishman for you", you wouldn't have given it a second thought. By calling someone an anti-semite, you can get people to rally around you, because no one likes an anti-semite, ...
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Substituting in "Irishman" would be similar in its casual denigration of an ethnic group, but perhaps since you have the liberty of Christ going for you, it doesn't matter!

You're a smart guy, steve, so you should have an awareness that posting anti-Semitic remarks will be strongly noted by some.

As for 'no one likes an anti-Semite', anti-Semitism is clearly on the rise these days, and your remarks about Jews might be quite popular on various Islamic and Leftist websites.

jorgheinz saidWhat about the Jews,the keepers of t...

2007-03-26T15:49:00.000+12:00

jorgheinz said

What about the Jews,the keepers of the Law? God will not reject them,ultimately.I suppose the COGs would have us believe,that to be a Jew is to incur eternal damnation.
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Were you ever in a CoG jorgheinz? Anyone who spent any time in one should know that we believe that those who have not been called in this age (which includes practically all the Jews) will be resurrected in the second resurrection and offered salvation.

It is Catholics and also most Protestants who believe that to be a Jew is to incur eternal damnation.

I am profoundly overwhelmed by the intelligence of...

2007-03-26T15:37:00.000+12:00

I am profoundly overwhelmed by the intelligence of you smart people.

The COGs think they are God's ordained,sanctified ...

2007-03-26T12:55:00.000+12:00

The COGs think they are God's ordained,sanctified and anointed, and that the only way to Eternal life is through them. Vain and arrogant !!

The disciples mentioned to Christ that people were preaching in his name and performing miracles.Christ said leave them alone...they are not against us; he allowed them free passage.

There are many vehicles for dispensing the gospel other than the COGs.Even,within themselves they seek exclusivity.

To any COGs who read this,your attitude is sickening.Hypocrites supreme.

What about the Jews,the keepers of the Law? God will not reject them,ultimately.I suppose the COGs would have us believe,that to be a Jew is to incur eternal damnation.

And another thing; COGS are hot on the giving of tithes: God said he would supply the need if they were/are truly obeying him.Stop flogging the members, COGs, and rely upon God to supply your needs.Don't be HYPOCRITES.

Just imagine what would happen if the COG hierarchies didn't flog the members for tithes.There just might be a trickle of tithe.

As I see it,COGs MOCK the creator they purport to serve.The trickle of tithe mentioned above could be God's response to their NEED or his response to their degree of "righteousness".Take it which way you will. I prefer the latter interpretation.

And so, when they flail the members for more money,they are, in effect,saying that God is not blessing them because of their perfidy.

Jorgheinz

On reflection, my toothbrush method is definitely ...

2007-03-26T12:28:00.000+12:00

On reflection, my toothbrush method is definitely not suitable for removal of all yeast infections.

For a person who has EVERYTHING (i.e.all the yeast infections), a course of medication is recommended.I daresay you had one or two cases like this in Ambassador.And,of course, this type of yeast infection,if discovered during U.B.,could have caused expulsion from A.C.

At this time of the year when flagellation is performed, especially in the Philippines,I was tempted to pun on the drug "FLAGYL",which unfortunately can cause yeasts itself, but not necessarily eliminate them.Though, I daresay, some people in A.C. were treated with Flagyl.

In some churches, I understand,that no risings of any sort or kind are allowed during Unleavened Bread.

Jorgheinz

ewwwwwwwwwwwww..Gaaaavin, saaave us my pretty...Ch...

2007-03-26T11:57:00.000+12:00

ewwwwwwwwwwwww..Gaaaavin, saaave us my pretty...Change the posting topic...We're meeeeellllting......squish...

From a COGer:WE COG MEMBERS CHECK IN ONCE IN A WHI...

2007-03-26T11:48:00.000+12:00

From a COGer:
WE COG MEMBERS CHECK IN ONCE IN A WHILE BECAUSE ALL OF YOU ARE SUCH GOOD EXAMPLES TO US...AS WHAT NOT TO DO, AND HOW NOT TO BE...YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ANSWER TO YOUR CREATOR FOR ALL THIS ONE DAY... I KNOW, ( WINK, WINK, SNICKER, SNICKER, GRIN. GRIN.) YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE YOU'VE FOUND SOMETHING BETTER, WELL YOU BETTER ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN...IF YOU EVER KNEW THE TRUTH AND TURNED FROM IT YOU'VE HAD IT!

MY COMMENT: See what I mean.

Steve K

Anonymous said... Anon said "So if you can find a ...

2007-03-26T11:36:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...
Anon said "So if you can find a single major commentary to support you, please post it."

Once again, "end of story" has been declared. There is nothing more to add. All truth on the matter is now known. We now lack nothing in the story, so the story has now ended. Nothing more entered on this post can be accepted once "end of story" is declared.

MY COMMENT: You're confusing this site with a "church of god" organization. Your "ministers" will give you all the "truth" you need for salvation, and anything else is considered Satanic literature. As one UCG member told me, "I learned all the truth years ago from Mr Armstrong and my "ministers". I don't need to learn anything else.".

So, she shut her ears and her eyes, and lives in her comfort zone. Remind you of anyone?

Steve K

Anonymous said... Steve K "MY COMMENT: No one can ...

2007-03-26T11:25:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said...
Steve K "MY COMMENT: No one can say anything derogatory about a Jew. If they do, then they are labeled an "anti-semite". Talk about traumatic!"

I think it was the 'thats a Jew for you.'

MY COMMENT: Getting a little testy, aren't you?

You were not making a comment about one Jew, you were making about a Jew and making a broad racist comment, or is it komment. Steve, is the K for Kommandant or some other Nazi racist attribute. Please let us know heer Steve.

MY COMMENT: So, if I would have said, "That's an Irishman for you", you wouldn't have given it a second thought. By calling someone an anti-semite, you can get people to rally around you, because no one likes an anti-semite, except a Nazi, especially Cogers, "who say they are Jews, but are not".

Steve K