Comments on Ambassador Watch: All the rest... just details

Does a representative of God speak out of both sid...

2007-03-25T04:10:00.000+12:00

Does a representative of God speak out of both sides of his mouth - and does a "corrupt tree bring forth corrupt fruit"?? My ears and many others were hardened to the tune of "get the message out and finish the work". Actually, what is the MESSAGE and what is the WORK????? I have not heard anything solid yet.

Thank you Shawn, I read your post.

2007-03-10T18:42:00.000+13:00

Thank you Shawn, I read your post.

Although there are a lot of opinions published on ...

2007-03-09T14:22:00.000+13:00

Although there are a lot of opinions published on this blog that I don't share - there is also a lot of truth to be realized. I've been associated with one COG or another for more than 38 years, and realized at an early age that while God may not be a respecter of men - the same was not true of a lot of ministers and AC grads!

I grew up "in the church", moved away from the church and reacquainted myself with the church during the past 38 years and I suppose the greatest truth I've learned is that at the end of the day, a person's salvation is truly a personal matter that must be worked out between that person and God. The adage that states "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" has never been proven more forcefully (to me) than in the organizational structure of the Worldwide Church of God and many of her splinter groups.

I choose to continue to attend services, keep the feasts, etc, because these things are important to me PERSONALLY in working out my own salvation, NOT because any man tells me to do it.

However, to all of the folks who seem to want to turn a blind eye to the many terrible, miserable and yes, UNGODLY things perpetrated on the "flock" by many self-serving individuals disguised as ministers, elders and deacons; please don't dismiss these people and their concerns - they were people who sat next to YOU in church, who scrubbed toilets in VFW halls where services were held, who drove all night to take YOUR kids to track meets and basketball tournaments, and made anonymous cash donations (in excess of tithes)so others could attend the FOT - only to realize that everything, from a physical standpoint, they viewed as almost too good to be true - truly was.

The second greatest truth I've learned, is that to place faith in man is faith misplaced. Most of the folks who post here have probably figured this out as well. That's not bitterness - that's reality.

To the folks who seem to post here regularly - at one time or another, we've all been fooled...we move on and try to make positive changes. However, to forget or ignore lessons learned (good and bad - COG and non-COG)would be a mistake. The lesson for all of us should be to pass on the good ones.

Thanks for letting me opine, and all the best to all of you.

Shawn

Speaking on Dwelling on the Negative....Those that...

2007-03-07T18:25:00.000+13:00

Speaking on Dwelling on the Negative....

Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it....and that would be the most negative thing of all.

Do you really think those of us who left Armstrongism don't care about those of you still in it? What can be more positive than the the thousands of people attempting to reach out to you guys before you waste more of your time in that rathole.

Granted we all hold different beliefs now, we freely admit that. And that's healthy. That's normal for people in their spiritual search.

Don't confuse concern, with hatred and negativity. While you folks may consider us "lost" and be forbidden by your ministers from even eating your lunch with us, we'd all happily eat lunch with you. If anything, we know what its like to be there.

A brave anonymous poster said: "Jared, I think you...

2007-03-07T14:07:00.000+13:00

A brave anonymous poster said: "Jared, I think you need to stay out of this one until you come out against your own."

Where did you get the idea that I haven't condemned the numerous, shameful sins of Catholic ministers?

Not that the sins of Catholic ministers have any relevance to the probability that Herbert Armstrong molested his daughter. Also, thanks anyway, but I don't actually need your permission to talk about things pertaining to my Armstrongist past, and my conversion to Catholicism could hardly disqualify me from joining in this discussion if I see fit. That's just goofy talk.

Anonymous said... Oh Joy,French Fried Kscribe! It ...

2007-03-06T16:50:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said...
Oh Joy,

French Fried Kscribe! <<<

It make you want to just "eat me!"
Holy and True,
Rev.Kscribe

Oh Joy,French Fried Kscribe!

2007-03-06T16:09:00.000+13:00

Oh Joy,

French Fried Kscribe!

"Anonymous said... And Kscribe was cast out into t...

2007-03-06T15:45:00.000+13:00

"Anonymous said...
And Kscribe was cast out into the Lake of Fire along with that old Serpent, Satan the devil, who deceives the WHOLE world."

Never happen Homer! But then again, maybe you should join me in death! http://herbertwarmstrongvideo.net
Click on the video with the title
"Gregorian - Join Me In Death"

Let us burn together in the toasty lake of fire!!!

"...who deceives the whole world."I've never encou...

2007-03-06T15:44:00.000+13:00

"...who deceives the whole world."

I've never encountered a quoter of that scripture who seemed eager to include himself in the equation. Pity.

Hey Gavin,See what happens when you post a picture...

2007-03-06T15:27:00.000+13:00

Hey Gavin,

See what happens when you post a picture of HWA - it brings out the best in people!

And Kscribe was cast out into the Lake of Fire alo...

2007-03-06T15:23:00.000+13:00

And Kscribe was cast out into the Lake of Fire along with that old Serpent, Satan the devil, who deceives the WHOLE world.

"JIM M said... WHO IS MORE TO BLAME THE MAN WHO ST...

2007-03-06T15:18:00.000+13:00

"JIM M said...
WHO IS MORE TO BLAME THE MAN WHO STARTED A RELIGION THAT EVENTUALLY GOT IN THE WAY OF GOD OR THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED IT. IT IS TIME TO GO BACK TO GOD. TIME IS SHORT"

And I say, HUMBUG! Give me liberty or give me death!
Kscribe (Ken)

WHO IS MORE TO BLAME THE MAN WHO STARTED A RELIGIO...

2007-03-06T15:07:00.000+13:00

WHO IS MORE TO BLAME THE MAN WHO STARTED A RELIGION THAT EVENTUALLY GOT IN THE WAY OF GOD OR THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED IT. IT IS TIME TO GO BACK TO GOD. TIME IS SHORT

poster 2:57 P.M. - Didn't you mean in your post to...

2007-03-06T15:06:00.000+13:00

poster 2:57 P.M. - Didn't you mean in your post to add "making" between the words "cried out in" and "the wilderness of religious confusion"?
rod 2

The Apostle of God, Herbert W. Armstrong - The voi...

2007-03-06T14:57:00.000+13:00

The Apostle of God, Herbert W. Armstrong - The voice of him that cried out in the wilderness of religious confusion, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Every valley shall be exalted , and every mountain and hill shall be made low, and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain;

And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed (to those of you that just couldn't get it), and all flesh shall see it together.

Anonymous wrote....."I wish this blog is promoting...

2007-03-06T14:48:00.000+13:00

Anonymous wrote.....
"I wish this blog is promoting the positives - instead of digging up and detailing unhelpful past."

The statement above should read "I wish this blog WOULD promote........

Thought you would like to know..
Ken.

Anonymous said... "A more mature and healthy way i...

2007-03-06T14:44:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said...
"A more mature and healthy way is to admit your part in the problem, move on to the next chapter of your life."

Well I have gotten on with life but because I supported such an degenerate cult, I feel an obligation to help people out of the cult. I have been praised for my efforts, by those who have been freed! I take immense pride in my accomplishments!

You wrote...
"Nobody dragged us to the WCG services and took money from our pocket. "

True. But there is a term for this.
It is called "Undue Influence."

You wrote...
"Constantly digging old tales - true or not - only open old wounds. It may give you temporary satisfaction at the thought of how base and despicable the old man was. But what does that accomplish for you? Pump your blood with adrenalin of anger? Not good for your health."

No satisfaction battering a dead man. As far as anger, that is long, long gone. But then again, perhaps this blog is causing you to be upset. This WILL affect your physical and emotional health!
Perhaps you should just quit? Why do you stay and comment here?

By the way, do you have a name or did your parents name you Anonymous?

Kscribe (Ken)

I don't know where else to post this, but i see Br...

2007-03-06T14:08:00.000+13:00

I don't know where else to post this, but i see Britany Spears scrawled "666" on her bald head, said she was the "Anti-Christ" and MISTER Doctor Bobby Thiel says she is not the Anti-Christ. So does anyone know if "Britany" or "Spears" comes out to 666? I figure if Thiel says it ain't so, it must be true.
rod 2

Anonymous PCGer said:"We need to repent of our evi...

2007-03-06T13:05:00.000+13:00

Anonymous PCGer said:
"We need to repent of our evil ways, and acknowledge Herbert W. Armstrong as the Apostle of God, the Elijah to come. He turned the hearts of the fathers to the sons as prophesied in Malachi's message."

Even if HWA did "turn the hearts of the fathers to the sons," how could that have been "prophesied" in Malachi's Message???
Flurry wrote it after HWA's death.

Wouldn't that simply make it an observation looking back...not a prophecy by Flurry???

Help me out here Dennis? This is such blatant proof of how misguided PCGers are.

Yeh, Flurry and PCG-what a piece of work - just ch...

2007-03-06T12:32:00.000+13:00

Yeh, Flurry and PCG-what a piece of work - just check your brain at the door and you will do just fine,
rod 2

About "Alibi's Message"--How do you explain HWA's ...

2007-03-06T10:24:00.000+13:00

About "Alibi's Message"--How do you explain HWA's estrangement from his own offspring? Talk to your minister about it, then get back to us.

While your at it, ask about the "divorce and remarriage" doctrine, race-relations, and medical care. YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. And don't foget "1975 In Prophecy" or 34,35,36,38,42,44,49,52,55,....2012,2017,2040, or anything from dateline or 20/20. I hear they are out to "catch a predator". Hey, we should send 'em an email!

elijah to come (and I could get nasty with that last word!), ha-ha. Not even LCG or UCG dare to preach that crap. RCM says HWA did an "elijah-like" work. Thats a nice way to say "of course not, but keep sending me $$"

For those of you who pray, please pray for the Philadelphia Church of God and its members and the Flurries, by name--seriously--pray w/o ceasing! Pray that at first they go to LCG, then UCG, then go indie, then just go away.

They must truly be hurting!

Anonymous said:"We need to repent of our evil ways...

2007-03-06T05:35:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said:

"We need to repent of our evil ways, and acknowledge Herbert W. Armstrong as the Apostle of God, the Elijah to come. He turned the hearts of the fathers to the sons as prophesied in Malachi's message."

Dang, that new Flurrybot 8.0 sure is pesky. Those tithes sent to Oklahoma have produced some especially tenacious zealots.

Since HWA is the pivotal personage in the Armstron...

2007-03-06T04:44:00.000+13:00

Since HWA is the pivotal personage in the Armstrongite religion (the Apostle, the master of exgesis, etc., the restorer of truth, etc.), the Armstrongite splinter groups should pool their money, hire some lawyers and investigative reporters and lay to rest the dastardly falsehood of HWA's incest.

This would do everybody a favor and firmly establish the foundation for their religious beliefs.

It would probably be a fairly easy thing to accomplish and should be done soon before everybody dies and nobody cares anymore.

Think of generation of Armstrongites yet to come that would benefit from this vindication and further apotheosis of Herbert.

Then all of us who believe the account is true will be put in our places and will have to treat Armstrongites with new respect.

What's not to like?!!

-- Neo

We need to repent of our evil ways, and acknowledg...

2007-03-06T00:14:00.000+13:00

We need to repent of our evil ways, and acknowledge Herbert W. Armstrong as the Apostle of God, the Elijah to come. He turned the hearts of the fathers to the sons as prophesied in Malachi's message.

The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. The carnal mind is an emnity against God.

But, this gospel of the kingdom - God's work of witnessing and warning to this earth - shall be preached in ALL the world, and then shall the end come.

Send money to headquarters for the building fund, only after you have paid your 1st tithes and offerings (and, 3rd tithe if applicable). TIME IS SHORT. Mortgage your house and send the money to headquarters to finish the work - the final push, the final gunlap.

Some of you just don't get it! You didn't get it then, and you still don't get it now. You will never get it!

That is bullshit -- I was dragged to church for 18...

2007-03-05T18:41:00.000+13:00

That is bullshit -- I was dragged to church for 18 years by my parents. Refusing to attend was unthinkable and would have resulting in a near-lethal beating. I never had a choice. To this day I still bear the scars of watching doomsday videos during the FOT as a 4-year-old; I still remember throwing up one Sabbath morning after seeing a photograph of a mutilated African soldier in a Y.E.S. lesson.

I never had a choice. By the time I was able to get out, much of the damage had already been done.

And now you have a choice -- but you choose to lock yourself in the hateful past which you cannot turn back.

I understand what hurt can do. My own pastor abused me. I could have killed him and myself. Or I could forever curse him. But I chose to live a free and healthy life. Free from the "if-onlys" and "what-could-have-beens". Free from feeling of "ill-wiil". Free from a painful past.

I wish this blog is promoting the positives - instead of digging up and detailing unhelpful past.