Comments on Ambassador Watch: WCG Home Remedies

Reminder re "netiquette" - moderation policy is fo...

2007-04-19T14:49:00.000+12:00

Reminder re "netiquette" - moderation policy is for no CAPS LOCK postings. Which is a shame when some of them are really relevant to the topic - as is whatmeworry's. I'd retype it, but there's only so much time...

Brave Anonymous Poster: Most of the WCG remedies a...

2007-04-19T06:11:00.000+12:00

Brave Anonymous Poster: Most of the WCG remedies and 'health' tips came from the podium. But I'll agree with you...Common sense was checked for many in the WCG, after all, we were told not to 'lean on our own understanding'.

As silly and strange as most of these "remedies" s...

2007-04-18T14:23:00.000+12:00

As silly and strange as most of these "remedies" sound, they were used in almost all counter-culture groups. WCG was no exception.
I began attending in 1972 and I've heard them all.
Didn't practice any of them ... except for trying the lemon and honey cleanser along with a very expensive additive from a clinic in Pennsylvania. They had nothing to do with the church by the way.
It was awful and a waste of hard-earned money.

Honey, according to my college nutrition teacher has only marginal benefit over white sugar ... very trace amounts of minerals or something that is supposed to be good for you. And of course you NEVER feed honey to a baby. So what should you sweeten their "stuff" with? Why Brown Sugar of course!! (and for those of you who don't know, brown sugar is just white sugar with a bit of molasses added back to make it brown and slightly sticky!)

Most people did check common sense at the door and those who didn't had better pretend they did or they would find themselve out the door until they genuflected enough to the minister!

I remember a food sermon from the early 80s about ...

2007-04-18T04:14:00.000+12:00

I
remember a food sermon from the early 80s about the evils of all the "whites:" bread, crackers, pastas, potatoes; margarines; soft drinks (diet ones even more so). And then came what seemed to me like an even more than ever looney tunes admonition for the single men: never use PEPPER! The minister told us it was forbidden at the Ambassador College dining rooms. At a later time, in a one-on-one moment with the Pastor, I got up the nerve to ask why, and was told that pepper makes the "tickle stick" more, well, you know, and .....sin follows that.

my goodness.....did people check their common sens...

2007-04-16T01:45:00.000+12:00

my goodness.....did people check their common sense at the door when they came into the Church?

it makes me wonder how many true members of the Church there were in WCG (it sounds like most were simply looking for a man to follow)

A minister in my church area years ago gave a serm...

2007-04-15T07:43:00.000+12:00

A minister in my church area years ago gave a sermon on white bread, (of course any refined flour, white sugar, white eggs, etc. included). Everything brown or green was o. k. to consume and good for us. He smashed the slice of white bread into a ball and bounced it on the floor like a rubber ball. Afterward, he asked the congregation "do you want to consume something like this"???

The end-all, cure-all in the Cincinnati area, was ...

2007-04-15T05:24:00.000+12:00

The end-all, cure-all in the Cincinnati area, was to pay a visit to a quack homeopath who could tell what was wrong with you by merely looking into your eyes...it seemed his standard diagnosis was "high blood pressure and low blood sugar."

When my parents took my sister to see him, because she was having siezures - he had a similar bs diagnosis - "Are you sure it's not epilepsy?" My parents asked.

"Absolutely no chance." Was his reply.

After increasingly worse and worse siezures - she was finally taken to a REAL doctor - where she was put on a regimen of proper medication for EPILEPSY, and has lived a normal life thereafter.

Layne

alternative remedies often work however some of th...

2007-04-15T04:45:00.000+12:00

alternative remedies often work however some of these were hilarious. Thanks especially to jeorg heinz and southern david whose postings were so funny.

I'm sure glad that it was okay to use doctors in m...

2007-04-14T11:03:00.000+12:00

I'm sure glad that it was okay to use doctors in my area by 1972, when I was born. I was in critical condition and needed blood-plasma just to pull through. Had I been born JW instead of WCG, I would have surely died.

Those people who say you need faith to be healed can never quite explain how it was that Paul healed the whole island of pagans, whom he never once preached to. The account is in Acts 28.

Trader said... A weekly coffee enema was the rage ...

2007-04-14T06:13:00.000+12:00

Trader said...
A weekly coffee enema was the rage among Pasadena WCGers in the late 1970s-early 1980s. Colonic cleansing was the goal, and at one point, the Ministerial Refreshing Program included a segment on colon health that had some rather "interesting" examination issues.

I am not making that up.

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No, you're not. My mother was instructed to do this to cure her colon cancer instead of having an operation . . . it didn't work.

My brother had a bad case of athletes feet and app...

2007-04-13T08:39:00.000+12:00

My brother had a bad case of athletes feet and applied the honey remedy to them. He went howling through the house to the bathtub and washed the honey off his feet. Dad a few months later applied honey to an open wound on his leg. He turned white as a sheet then passed out.

Here are some other remedies I remember;

After the death of Mrs. Armstrong, the church became obsessed about clean colons. A day without a BM, could mean a blockage of some type had formed. After all, this bloated feeling could lead to severe spiritual consequences. It could interfere with your daily prayer and bible study life. Satan knows just how to distract God’s people. He had already caused the death of Mrs. Armstrong and the whole church had become spiritually plugged.

The remedy was a specially mixed enema. The concoction contained well or spring water(too many pollutants in city water) a couple teaspoons of fresh squeezed lemon juice, and a couple teaspoons of red wine. Whew, sure glad our family never tried it. I remember families that had wells, bringing 5 gallon containers of water to church. After services people with an odd assortment of jars, would form a line to receive this magical water.

Now this next R/WCG remedy, is guaranteed to turn any pimpled face mamas’ boy into a virtual love machine. A few months before your wedding night, start wearing loose fitting boxer shorts, and sprinkle a couple tablespoons of wheat-germ on all your meals. Married men, are you too feminine to produce any male offsprings? Try the formula, it will have your wife popping out one son after another.

Well that wraps up my WCG remedies I remember.

Burt said:"Sometime after doctors were okayed in 1...

2007-04-13T08:12:00.000+12:00

Burt said:"
Sometime after doctors were okayed in 1974, Don Waterhouse mused from the pulpit that, "We still feel guilty going to doctors, but we seem to feel less guilty if we see a quack."

Our area was almost 15 years behind that little bit of information.

Three ministers came and went and not one of them mentioned it.

The last one was still preaching 'faith', not doctors up until Tkache took over, and then he did an about face and stayed on with Tkache.

~Moose~
Anoneemoose

...Dolomite. Essentially it is Calcium Magnesium C...

2007-04-13T03:16:00.000+12:00

...Dolomite. Essentially it is Calcium Magnesium Carbonate. They say it is good for cramps.

Cramps are often caused by calcium deficiency, and magnesium is essential in calcium absorption, so anything high in both is quite likely to relieve cramping.

The frustrating thing for me to see in people, both those who run to MDs for every little sniffle and think anything not from an MD is quackery, and those who think MDs are the ultimate personification of evil on earth but swear by "alternative" medicines, is the voodoo aspect of what they do. Neither group understands what's happening or why. Neither group is any better than "natives" going to the witch doctor.

ex·cres·cence n.1. An outgrowth or enlargement, es...

2007-04-12T16:45:00.000+12:00

ex·cres·cence
n.
1. An outgrowth or enlargement, especially an abnormal one, such as a wart.
2. A usually unwanted or unnecessary accretion:

Amazing how words fit together..colonic cleansing ...

2007-04-12T15:17:00.000+12:00

Amazing how words fit together..colonic cleansing was an item on the agenda of the Ministerial Refreshing Programme, as "TRADER" relates.As far as it went, colonic cleansing was sehr gut(alimentary,my dear Watson),and very refreshing,leaving victims,oops patients feeling clean from top to toe.One wonders,though,about the sterilising techniques used for this length of hosepipe.

Garlic was good for all sorts of maladies,especially worms.Now, prolixity was an attribute of the average COG minister,but garlic left members long-winded in a different sort of way.

Cheese could be used to remedy a Calcium deficiency,but to some it was known as "bung".Out with the Senna Pods.

"Spirits of Fortification" (Sherry or Vinum Xericum)with grapefruit and honey somehow managed to prolong a bout of influenza.

Epsom Salts and Glycerine was an old remedy for drawing boils and carbuncles but not of the Simon variety.

And then there were prunes for those feeling seedy.Too many and you had the "Gripes of Wrath".

Tetanus shots were out,although at sermons you just wished that some of the clowns performing would develop a case of lockjaw.

Liquorice is tempting but I shall leave this well alone

jorgheinz

In Pasadena, "Sugar in the Raw." Among other thing...

2007-04-12T13:49:00.000+12:00

In Pasadena, "Sugar in the Raw." Among other things, apparently.

Some more herbal revelations:Stewed apple for thos...

2007-04-12T13:20:00.000+12:00

Some more herbal revelations:

Stewed apple for those at a loose end or with a dire rear.The pectin in the apple soaks up all that excess fluid in your gut.

Olive Oil for those with a dire ear(softens impacted wax) or those Nordic members hard of herring.

Methylated Spirits for toe-jam(the alcohol removes the moisture in which fungus thrives).

Sinner Man powder for a dire rear.

Parsley tea for the waterworks.This reminds me of the hymn "All Hail The Power of Jesus Name". Remember the verse,"let angels prostate fall?"

Was apple cider darned rough on the scalp one wonders?

Jared is right about the honey feeding the growth...what a fun guy.Serious, folks.

The University of Waikato here in NZ is at the forefront of experiments with honey.Manuka honey,especially is good for burns,ulcers and other bacterial skin eruptions.Waikato Hospital(don't pronounce that latter word as does the Cockney)has had good results in ward trials with Manuka Honey.

Sugar and soap poultice for drawing boils.(I don't intend to bring things to a head.)

Cascara Sagrada or Senna Pods for those who are economical in their movements.Gallup Polls rate these as very effective.

That's it.

jorgheinz

"Aloe Vera was the cure all in the Phoenix church....

2007-04-12T12:38:00.000+12:00

"Aloe Vera was the cure all in the Phoenix church."

That is actually something the latin American's use for a lot of things.

"A weekly coffee enema was the rage among Pasadena...

2007-04-12T12:37:00.000+12:00

"A weekly coffee enema was the rage among Pasadena WCGers in the late 1970s-early 1980s. Colonic cleansing was the goal, and at one point, the Ministerial Refreshing Program included a segment on colon health that had some rather "interesting" examination issues."

And the joke was...will you have that with cream or sugar.....

WCG home remedies brings back many memories. I did...

2007-04-12T11:52:00.000+12:00

WCG home remedies brings back many memories. I did do the Vinegar treatment for dandruff. I believe it worked. The only drawback was getting vinegar in my eyes - ouch that stung!

Some members covertly used wedge-shaped aspirins f...

2007-04-12T11:28:00.000+12:00

Some members covertly used wedge-shaped aspirins for splitting headaches.

jorgheinz

Ah, yes,COLONIC IRRIGATION ("Trader")......as far ...

2007-04-12T11:21:00.000+12:00

Ah, yes,COLONIC IRRIGATION ("Trader")......
as far as it goes
is effective.Patients feel all clean inside afterwards.Yes,even modern "alternative health" practitioners still recommend HIGH coffee enemas.

Ti-tree oil or castor oil are good escharotics for removing benign excrescences(must check my spelling of that one)from the skin.They actually work.Take longer to act, but cheaper than cauterisation or diathermy administered by a physician.

Dollar-mite has essentially been devalued by some authorities.When I think fertiliser I think of Dolomite.Essentially it is Calcium Magnesium Carbonate.
They say it is good for cramps.

Peppermint tea is supposed to be good for "windy" conditions as described by Boston Blackie.

The Sodium Bicarbonate one always gave me a chuckle.This stuff is naturally inside your body and is connected with your respiratory and excretory mechanisms.To deleaven properly,we should have removed our lungs and kidneys.Bicarb Soda is used in home cleaners,fire extinguishers,water treatment,sometimes MUNICIPAL,butter/cheese manufacture etc etc.

And we did indulge in HERBAL remedies.Herb was most interested in the MINT bush for some unknown reason.

Jorgheinz

All this fits in with the Armstrongite view of spe...

2007-04-12T11:03:00.000+12:00

All this fits in with the Armstrongite view of special knowledge and exclusivism. Many people attracted to Armstrongism had been marginalized in society. It is a boost to the self-esteem to believe that you have special knowledge that makes you more effective than a medical doctor.

But this is a lethal mistake and it is precisely at this juncture that Armstrongism encouraged practices that resulted in death. But, of course, we had all been taught that these deaths were really caused by "lack of faith". So when somebody died, we knew the "plain truth".

I know of people who had easily correctable medical conditions but suffered with these problems for years. They would try naturopathy or go to a chiropracter instead of a medical doctor.

Somehow this was an issue of faith. But I could never quite understand how going to a chiropracter was within the bounds of faith and going to a medical doctor was not. They are both men and they both represent seeking healing from some source other than the direct healing intervention from God.

Dr. Wilmer Parrish once told me that "our people", referring to the WCG back in the Seventies, are willing to go to a health food store and buy things off the shelf that will hurt them worse than what a medical doctor would prescribe for them.

By the way, this moderation scheme is really a wet blanket. Is there that much that needs to be screened? It diminishes the currency of the comments you read -- like talking to someone on a cell phone with a long, long lag.

-- Neo

Aloe Vera was the cure all in the Phoenix church. ...

2007-04-12T11:01:00.000+12:00

Aloe Vera was the cure all in the Phoenix church.

It seemed half the church was engaged in selling Aloe Vera products to the other half.

Although it tastes a bit like stale tequila. Or that barrel cactus juice they have you drink in desert survival class.

The active ingredient in aloe, salicylic acid, does help head aches. Birch bark (found in natural root beer) also has salicylic acid. Asprin is derived from salicylic acid.

Phoenix Pastor, Bill Rapp, used to take coffee enema's for his leukemia, along with juiced organic calfs liver. It didn't cure him, but he did live twice as long as the doctors predicted.

Burt - You probably hit the nail right on the head...

2007-04-12T08:48:00.000+12:00

Burt - You probably hit the nail right on the head!