Comments on Ambassador Watch: The End is Nigher Than You Think (Pt. 1)

No we don't need to wait until 2012to find out. Th...

2008-06-02T18:57:00.000+12:00

No we don't need to wait until 2012to find out. This is what he said in a sermon on March 29, 2008:

"If by Pentecost I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and for most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on all of those interviews that I have held; to do less, aah well, would be quite insane. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane (Weinland R. Three More Weeks--quote from near the 1 hour 28 minute point from the CGPFK website version. Sermon given March 29, 2008)."

Pentecost is 8th June (by his reckoning) so in six days he has to stop preaching if nothing has happened. The proof is sooner than you think

Well, i think that everyone will know by 2012 if r...

2008-04-24T09:29:00.000+12:00

Well, i think that everyone will know by 2012 if ronald's right or wrong. we just have to wait for a few years before we find out, right?

EVERY Single Prophet To Come From USA Has BEEN PRO...

2008-04-20T06:54:00.000+12:00

EVERY Single Prophet To Come From USA Has BEEN PROVEN To Be False.

Ronalds Wife Is The Second witness According To His site!!

Please Lord Jesus Christ Save Us From Our Fear.

AMEN

" And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we kno...

2008-04-19T02:07:00.000+12:00

" And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken."

Give me a break. Gloom and doom goes on and on. ...

2008-04-07T10:35:00.000+12:00

Give me a break. Gloom and doom goes on and on. How 'bout focusing on love, kindness, charity, treating people like you would like to be treated, respecting one another. God can deal with the evil. He can do it without 'ya Ron.

I'd roll around laughing if it didn't involve a re...

2008-02-29T18:56:00.000+13:00

I'd roll around laughing if it didn't involve a real human being.
We shouldn't laugh at the insane, but refer them to a good psychiatrist. Hey, pastor Weinland, how about a plague of locusts ? I hear they're great chocolate-coated. Oh, hang it, I will have a laugh.

Will his website be taken down on May 1st?

2008-01-19T20:00:00.000+13:00

Will his website be taken down on May 1st?

Anonymous said... Mr. Weinland claims to be a prop...

2008-01-17T13:21:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said...
Mr. Weinland claims to be a prophet and an end-time witness. Do you want to know who Mr. Weinland states is the 2nd end-time witness? In an audio sermon, “Gods Prophecy, part 2” approximately 55 minutes into the sermon, Mr. Weinland discusses the 2nd end-time witness. He describes the 2nd witness as belonging to their organization and that the identity of this witness must remain a secret. No one is too discuss this matter with anyone. God will give the identity of the 2nd witness during the last 3 and one-half year tribulation. Mr. Weinland describes this witness as a person who is a confidant and has witness beside him, since the fall of the WCG during December 1994. He does not come out and specifically say who this witness is, but does infer that it is his wife. Mr. Weinland in his latest book (God’s Final Witness) does make reference to the fact that he is the spokesman for both witnesses. So, if Mr. Weinland’s wife is the 2nd witness, then she does not need to speak because Mr. Weinland is spokesman. He also claims that many scattered church members will not believe this to be true because they have preconceived ideas of how God works. A woman witness just does not fit into the equation. This audio sermon “God’s Prophecy, part 2) can be located at www.cog-pkg.org/audio/.

Jared,Scoffers like me knows what it meant because...

2008-01-01T17:35:00.000+13:00

Jared,
Scoffers like me knows what it meant because Paul said "the time is short" and scoffers in the first century asked, "where is the promise of his coming".

Try adding 2+2

Jared, I think I can see Corky's point. The racial...

2008-01-01T11:49:00.000+13:00

Jared, I think I can see Corky's point. The racial bigotry wasn't being conducted by Jesus or the prophets, they were the cause of it by what they had said.

If somebody comes along decades, or centuries, or millennia later and latches onto someone's words to justify something never intended by those words, how is that anything more than a remote and very indirect cause?

And if the meaning of generation really is a code word for race,

It's not, and I never said it was. I merely pointed out that genea sometimes means "generation" in the chronological sense and sometimes means "a tribe, a people, a group of people."

then the point was that perhaps that was the cause of racial bigotry against Jews by Christian religionists throughout the centuries.

No, I rather think Corky was saying it would mean that the New Testament directly taught anti-Semitic bigotry.

I tend to agree with those who see it as a failed prophesy, not some broad vague claim that Jews would never cease to be a distinct people.

That's just one possible interpretation. Some early Christians saw "this generation shall not pass" as a reference to the Jewish people, others saw it as a reference to the Church, others saw it as a reference to the people living at the time that Jesus delivered the Olivet prophecy. I favor the interpretation that "this generation" in the Olivet prophecy means the Jewish people, and thus a reiteration of the prophecy in Jer. 31 that the people of Israel would never cease to exist. Really, if the text means what Corky and so many other claim, then why did the Christians continue to accept it as divinely-inspired and inerrant if it was really so obviously false as Corky says it is? Corky's favored interpretation just doesn't make any sense.

Who would expect the Jewish race to ever pass?

Quite a lot of people have expected it, and many have tried to cause it. Last century a horrifying war was started by a nutcase who want to cause the Jewish race to pass.

Did Jesus condemn the whole race from time immemorial as the following would suggest.

"The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this race, and shall condemn it:" (Matt. 12:41)

That won't work, will it? Because here you have all the prophets and patriarchs condemned too if the word means race.

In context, "this generation," "this people," is clearly referring to those of the Jewish people who were unfaithful to God and not open to Christ's teachings. Just as it is unreasonable to confidently expect every single Ninevite alive in Jonah's day to be saved, it is unreasonable to expect every Jew to be condemned. Jesus didn't say, "Our generation," "the people of our time," or "the Jewish people of our time." He said, "THIS generation," "THIS people."

"This race shall not pass, till all these tnings b...

2007-12-30T09:07:00.000+13:00

"This race shall not pass, till all these tnings be fulfilled"

Well, duh. Who would expect the Jewish race to ever pass? Did Jesus condemn the whole race from time immemorial as the following would suggest.

"The men of Ninevah shall rise in judgment with this race, and shall condemn it:" (Matt. 12:41)

That won't work, will it? Because here you have all the prophets and patriarchs condemned too if the word means race.

Jared Olar said: "Racial bigots? Jewish people inv...

2007-12-30T06:08:00.000+13:00

Jared Olar said: "Racial bigots? Jewish people involved in self-criticism of their moral failings is racial bigotry?"

Jared, I think I can see Corky's point. The racial bigotry wasn't being conducted by Jesus or the prophets, they were the cause of it by what they had said. And if the meaning of generation really is a code word for race, then the point was that perhaps that was the cause of racial bigotry against Jews by Christian religionists throughout the centuries.

I tend to agree with those who see it as a failed prophesy, not some broad vague claim that Jews would never cease to be a distinct people.

Thomas Munson

Wait a minute . . . he's talking to Jews, isn't he...

2007-12-29T11:47:00.000+13:00

Wait a minute . . . he's talking to Jews, isn't he?

Yes -- and he is himself Jewish.

Guess we better go back to generation or be known as racial bigots.

Racial bigots? Jewish people involved in self-criticism of their moral failings is racial bigotry? Were the Old Testament prophets guilty of bigotry when they decried the moral degeneracy of their people?

Look, Corky, I know it will be a grave disappointment for you to admit that the biblical use of "generation" need not be strictly a chronological reference, since it would deprive you of a favorite argument against the Christian religion and the veracity of the Christian scriptures, but you've got to face it: it really is true that "genea" was sometimes used to mean "people" or "nation" rather than "those people who happen to be alive around the same period of time."

Yeah, I get that. "Save yourselves from these croo...

2007-12-29T07:39:00.000+13:00

Yeah, I get that. "Save yourselves from these crooked and perverse Jews"

Wait a minute . . . he's talking to Jews, isn't he? Guess we better go back to generation or be known as racial bigots.

The same word used for generation in Matthew 24 is...

2007-12-29T06:56:00.000+13:00

The same word used for generation in Matthew 24 is also used in Acts 2:40 and many other places and clearly means generation and not race.

On the contrary, the initial meaning of "genea" is a family or tribe or nation, whether viewed "synchronically" or "diachronically." "Genea" or "generation" means "that which has been generated or born," and was sometimes used as a synonym of "genos," tribe or people. There is a similar range of meaning for the Aramaic word for "generation," sharbeta. "Generation" in biblical parlance doesn't necessarily refer only to those members of a family or nation that happen to be alive around the same time, though that has come to be the primary meaning. Acts 2:40 is a perfect example: St. Peter exhorted the crowd to save themselves "from this crooked generation." He wasn't telling them to save themselves from a period of time, but from a group of people. Compare also Matt. 23:33, where the KJV's "generation of vipers" is more usually rendered in modern versions as "brood of vipers.

>>>Knock thyself out Robert.Thank you for the link...

2007-12-28T23:15:00.000+13:00

>>>Knock thyself out Robert.

Thank you for the link. Very interesting thoughts there. I have often thought that my belief in Jesus is coming from a greek mindset based on greek ideas in a greek Bible.

We seldom ever realise or think of the historical Jesus coming from an Orthodox Jewish family with the gospels written from that perspective.

The godfearers is an interesting thing. Seldom ever mentioned that Israel had people called "godfearers" attaching themself to the covenant. Although they weren't expected to convert to Judaism. As the writer of the website rightly points out, Christians at least should meet the same standard as these "Godfearers" but do they?

Robert,Methinks thou needest a girlfriend, yea ver...

2007-12-28T14:26:00.000+13:00

Robert,

Methinks thou needest a girlfriend, yea verily this hath been said unto thee!

Take care, friend.

Byker Bob pondered:"Are you enjoying all the negat...

2007-12-28T13:53:00.000+13:00

Byker Bob pondered:
"Are you enjoying all the negative attention? "

Of course he is! He thrives on it. It gives him a raison d'etre. It confirms in his own mind that he is indeed one of the true called out ones who has been blessed with an exclusive knowledge that the rest of us poor ignorant saps never has a hope in hell of comprehending.

That, of course, brings up the question of why we play up to his fantasies. Perhaps a better way of dealing with the likes of Tom is to completely ignore him.

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2007-12-28T11:16:00.000+13:00

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Knock thyself out Robert.

Are you reading the book of Matthew with your Gree...

2007-12-28T11:07:00.000+13:00

Are you reading the book of Matthew with your Greek mind?

Scholars seem to think the original book of Matthew was written in Hebrew.

Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)
"Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could."

Irenaeus, Adv. Haer. 3.1.1
"Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews n their own dialect while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome and laying the foundations of the church."

Origen (Eusebius, H.E. 6.25.4)
"As having learnt by tradition concerning the four Gospels, which alone are unquestionable in the Church of God under heaven, that first was written according to Matthew, who was once a tax collector but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, who published it for those who from Judaism came to believe, composed as it was in the Hebrew language."

Eusebius, H.E. 3.24.6
"Matthew had first preached to Hebrews, and when he was on the point of going to others he transmitted in writing in his native language the Gospel according to himself, and thus supplied by writing the lack of his own presence to those from whom he was sent."

Epiphanius (ca. 315-403), bishop of Salamis, refers to a gospel used by the Ebionites (Panarion 30. 13.1-30.22.4). He says it is Matthew, called "According to the Hebrews" by them, but says it is corrupt and mutilated. He says Matthew issued his Gospel in Hebrew letters. He quotes from this Ebionite Gospel seven times. These quotations appear to come not from Matthew but from some harmonized account of the canonical Gospels.

Jerome also asserts that Matthew wrote in the Hebrew language (Epist. 20.5), and he refers to a Hebrew Matthew and a Gospel of the Hebrews-unclear if they are the same. He also quotes from the Gospel used by the Nazoreans and the Ebionites, which he says he has recently translated from Hebrew to Greek (in Matth. 12.13).

There is a Hebrew version of the Book of Matthew authored by Shem Tov (www.shemtov.org/. known as Shem-Tob- ben Isaac ben Shaprut born in Tudela in Castile in the middle of the fourteenth century. He later resided in Tarazona in Aragon where he practiced medicine. Part of his volume of works is a Hebrew version of the book of Matthew.

It is compiled in the book Hebrew Gospel of Matthew by George Howard.

It is available from Century One bookstore.

Richard said... This is Richard. I have been pu...

2007-12-28T11:01:00.000+13:00

Richard said...

This is Richard. I have been publishing excerpts from my unpublished essay "My Worldwide Church of God Reflections - 1972 in Prophecy! God's practical Joke?"

I thank God (and Gavin) for this Ambassador Watch website.
.....A Peculiar People For Sure":

Third, in retrospect, the Church seemed to attract some of the strangest and “fringe” members of society. To mention a few, I remember “the Rockefeller lady”. She believed Nelson Rockefeller controlled the whole world and was head of a secret organization known as “The Illuminati”. The belief was that this secret organization was trying to establish a new world government with Rockefeller as its head dictator.

.....

That perhaps is not so strange when Rockefeller family members have been quite open about their plans for the American hemisphere and our President seems to be following the agenda regardless of public opinion.

Check this out....

The same word used for generation in Matthew 24 is...

2007-12-28T10:59:00.000+13:00

The same word used for generation in Matthew 24 is also used in Acts 2:40 and many other places and clearly means generation and not race.

Oh Lord, free me from the bricks for brains people of this world and this generation - please.

"Verily verily, I say unto you, the Jews shall no...

2007-12-28T10:55:00.000+13:00

"Verily verily, I say unto you, the Jews shall not go extinct until the Apostle Paul and New Covenant writers, hijack, misapplies, misquotes, and generally makes Jewish history say what it was never meant to say and mean what it never meant...and then shall the Income."

A is A.2 + 2 = 4"Assuredly, I say to you, this gen...

2007-12-28T10:26:00.000+13:00

A is A.

2 + 2 = 4

"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place."

Using the Christian approach, lets take another look at the first two statements:

A is K.

2 + 2 = 5

Paul

Folks let's stop for a minute and ponder that grea...

2007-12-28T10:21:00.000+13:00

Folks let's stop for a minute and ponder that great line in Matthew 24:34: "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place."

The word "generation" comes from the greek work genea. Now, did this word actually mean a generation of people living at the time of Jesus? Or can it have another meaning?

Scofield Reference Notes:

[1] This generation

Gr. "genea," the primary definition of which is, "race, kind, family, stock, breed." (So all lexicons.) That the word is used in this sense because none of "these things," i.e. the world-wide preaching of the kingdom, the great tribulation, the return of the Lord in visible glory, and the regathering of the elect, occurred at the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus, A.D. 70. The promise is, therefore, that the generation--nation, or family of Israel--will be preserved unto "these things"; a promise wonderfully fulfilled to this day.

People's New Testament

"24:34,35 Till all these things shall be fulfilled. Some hold that all these things, in Mt 24:32,33, refer only to what was said of the fall of Jerusalem, ending with Mt 24:28. Others have contended that the phrase includes the second coming, but refers directly to the end of Jerusalem, which was a type of the end of the world. I believe, rather, that all these things embraces all thus far predicted, and that this generation means the Jewish race, instead of only those then living. The Greek word, genea, so rendered is used in the sense of race in the Greek classics, and as examples of such use in the New Testament, Alford points to Mt 12:45 Lu 16:8. Christ has described the awful end of the Jewish state; after such a destruction and scattering of the remnant to the ends of the earth, all the examples of history would declare that the Jewish race would become extinct. Christ, however, declares that, contrary to all probability, it shall not pass away until he comes. They still exist, 1850 years after the prediction, distinct, but without a country."

As we have seen Jesus was not referring to a particular generation but rather this race of people, i.e, Jews, Israelites would be preserved to the very end of the age!