Comments on Ambassador Watch: House built on tithes

Well, well, well...It seems Rod is feeling magnani...

2008-08-30T06:17:00.000+12:00

Well, well, well...

It seems Rod is feeling magnanimous this week!

Remember Syd Hull, the South Africa evangelist who left LCG to follow the Apostle Dave? And then got tired of Dave and decided to endure Charles Bryce?

Well, he's baaack!

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From the Presiding Evangelist

Dear Fellow Ministers,

Greetings from Charlotte! We are delighted to announce that Mr. and Mrs. Syd Hull in South Africa have come back to the Living Church of God! Although he went to two other different fellowships for a while, he has heartfeltly acknowledged that he made some terrible mistakes and wants to come home. They are coming back just as members—not in the ministry—and requested that themselves as they understand the situation. They have both acknowledged that what they did was wrong and that they are sorry for hurting others. They realize that this is where the Work is being done and want to be part of Christ’s Work at the end of the age. So let us all rejoice and pray with them that this will all work for good and that all of us can learn every lesson God wants us to learn as we move through the trials and tests of this human experience. Please pray for them—pray for God’s Church in South Africa—and please continue to pray for all of us in the Work.

We are grateful for the prayers and effort put forth by Messrs. Rod King, van der Byl and Botha in visiting with the Hulls to help be sure that this is all done correctly. And we certainly can thank God that He is the “Father of mercies” to all of us and will continue to work with us as long as we sincerely want to do His will.—Roderick C. Meredith
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Now, how long do you all think the Hulls will have to sit around "just as members"? My money's on a year, maybe 18 months before El Syd gets ministerial responsibilities again.

-Libro

All this brings to mind two certain quotes from "S...

2008-08-25T10:10:00.000+12:00

All this brings to mind two certain quotes from "Should Accusers Be Answered":

Quote one:

A former employee once stated, and I quote, that I make “$125,000 a year 91 DO YOU BELIEVE OBVIOUS LIES? (tax-free), have a huge expense account, live in a mansion and have a palatial office—all paid for by about 200 brethren.” This received wide circulation outside RCG—and probably still does—his attacks having begun earlier with worse charges in late 2000, when he left us. While every element in this statement is pure fiction, some have been foolish enough to believe such outrageous stories.

Quote two:

Let me extend the point for further illustration: For those who still doubt after this explanation, I could go on to ask: Would I need to post a picture of my house for people to know how ridiculous the earlier quoted accusations are? Would they need to see my tax returns for several years to know that my salary is far—FAR—below the figure quoted above, and how almost tiny my expenses are, even as the leader of the Church?

Seems that picture has indeed been posted, though through no action of Dave's...

Well we know that if you promise to rob Peter to p...

2008-08-25T10:06:00.000+12:00

Well we know that if you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul, you count on Paul's full support...

Anon Said: "The laborer is worth his wages!"I real...

2008-08-25T08:51:00.000+12:00

Anon Said: "The laborer is worth his wages!"

I really hope you are kidding here. RCM keeps asking people to dig deep, it is his company basically. How can you think that a man who asks people to mortgage their future should be allowed to live in the lap of luxury. Really, to live like this when the members live mostly in rentals and eek out meager existences on what is left over from digging deep. Way down deep.

The quote should be; You will reap what you sow.

"than those who won't.there will be no government ...

2008-08-25T06:03:00.000+12:00

"than those who won't.
there will be no government welfare programs to take from the workers and give to the lazy."

A good Republican response! The "kingdom" will certainly have an unregulated economy.

Take from the poor and subjugate an entire class of people to serve the wealthy.

Yep yep...

Ah, yes, Karl -- the missing Marx Brother, Pinko.

2008-08-24T19:54:00.000+12:00

Ah, yes, Karl -- the missing Marx Brother, Pinko.

Robert said... In the new society just ahead of us...

2008-08-24T18:10:00.000+12:00

Robert said...

In the new society just ahead of us prior to Christ's return, wealth will be taken away from private ownership to become the property of state where it will be fairly distributed to all those in need.

A house built on tithes will not stand! Even in God's World Tomorrow, wealth will be fairly distributed out. God's world is a world based on giving and sharing. Not a society based on injustice where the few have much, and the majority have little!

You know, there was someone else who thought just like that. Karl Marx, I believe his name was . . .

"I pointed out that WCG didn't need to reconcile r...

2008-08-24T17:28:00.000+12:00

"I pointed out that WCG didn't need to reconcile racially near as much as with everyone else. Well that went over like a lead brick."

At least you had the guts to point it out to them, Dennis. The rest of us just fire potshots along those lines from behind the anonymity of the Internet.

Their reaction is unsurprising.

"Even in God's World Tomorrow, wealth will be fair...

2008-08-24T16:36:00.000+12:00

"Even in God's World Tomorrow, wealth will be fairly distributed out."

yep, those who work will be wealthier than those who won't.
there will be no government welfare programs to take from the workers and give to the lazy.

I am going "trick or treating at merrydeaths house...

2008-08-24T12:24:00.000+12:00

I am going "trick or treating at merrydeaths house this year! Thats a given!

Just got a look at the apostles estate. This place...

2008-08-24T12:23:00.000+12:00

Just got a look at the apostles estate. This place is HUGE!!!! 4 bedrooms. To the best of my knowledge there is only the "Apostle" his wife of 8 months and his setpson living in this palace!

The Clarian call has worked! But more must be done.

Robert, you MUST get off the "shrooms" and get a l...

2008-08-24T12:21:00.000+12:00

Robert, you MUST get off the "shrooms" and get a life!

UFO recanter, William Cooper, vindicates Herbert W...

2008-08-24T09:35:00.000+12:00

UFO recanter, William Cooper, vindicates Herbert W. Armstrong on the Sabbath. William Cooper, a contraversial type, who was killed in 2001 in strange circumstances spent his time researching the New World Order.

In the programme, Ecumenism, Roman Roots of Vatican and Pagan Catholicism, William Cooper, uncovers the early Christians observed the Jewish Sabbath.

Yet again, proof that HWA was ahead of his time. What more proof do you need! Now get on your knees and repent, and go back to the Sabbath!

Listen to it for yourself!

http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/audios/cooper_mystery_babylon.htm

Dennis"Three Gospels say Jesus ministry was just o...

2008-08-24T09:29:00.000+12:00

Dennis

"Three Gospels say Jesus ministry was just one year and John says three. It's over a hundred miles of waste howling desert wilderness and a thirty mile trip UP mountain from Jerico to Jerusalem."

Jesus was a Galilean. He was from the Northern Kingdom where the Northern tribes of Israel settled. He spent most of his time there, only going to Jerusalem of the various Feasts.

The journey to Jerusalem during the Feast seasons was quite normal; not easy but normal.

Jesus' main concern seems to have been the Israelites around Galilee not the Jews in Jerusalem.

There was a good possibility that he was illegitimate and that he grew up poor. So he probably did not have a nice house.

He also didn't believe in tithing; that was something added to the the law of Moses by an all male priesthood intent on fleecing the people.

HWA, Rod Merredith, the kind males in UCG, and the male "priests" in the Saddleback Church

http://saddleback.com/flash/

all continue to enrich themselves by taking what is not theirs to take. Jesus never did that.

Jesus who was probably an Israelite , not a Jew, he knew that the bulk of the Law of Moses came from Canaan or from the priests of the Southern Kingdom of Judah.

Jesus taught people not to keep those things that were put into the law by men. He became a tremendous threat to the established religious order in Jerusalem. That is why he stayed primarily in Galilee.

He was safe in Galilee.

The priests in Jerusalem hated him; and he didn't like them.

Gospel Thomas 102
'Jesus said, "Damn the Pharisees! They are like a dog sleeping in the cattle manger: the dog neither eats nor [lets] the cattle eat.""

Robert, your conspiracy comments are getting nutti...

2008-08-24T09:24:00.000+12:00

Robert, your conspiracy comments are getting nuttier by the day. Agenda 21? You really need to get out more!

Ned

Personal property will one day be a thing of the p...

2008-08-24T09:17:00.000+12:00

Personal property will one day be a thing of the past if Agenda 21 of the United Nations get their way! So enjoy your belongings whilst they remain yours!

In the new society just ahead of us prior to Christ's return, wealth will be taken away from private ownership to become the property of state where it will be fairly distributed to all those in need.

A house built on tithes will not stand! Even in God's World Tomorrow, wealth will be fairly distributed out. God's world is a world based on giving and sharing. Not a society based on injustice where the few have much, and the majority have little!

To the person who said this can't be Meredith's ho...

2008-08-24T08:27:00.000+12:00

To the person who said this can't be Meredith's house because of the Halloween decorations, what rock are you living under? Photos are not necessarily current on county web sites! If you would just take the time to go to the county web site you would see the very same photo. I think it is quite funny that the photo of his home goes against Meredith's very teachings..........

Herbert would be proud of Big Dave and Rod, see wh...

2008-08-24T06:31:00.000+12:00

Herbert would be proud of Big Dave and Rod, see what an Ambassador education can do,they were taught at the feet of God,s Apostle,remember Zerubbabel "For who hath despised the day of small things? THINK BIG!! CARS, HOUSES,BIG WORK,AND ESPECIALLY BIG TITHES AND OFFERINGS.

Dennis Diehl said,"I gotta get a gullible followin...

2008-08-24T06:20:00.000+12:00

Dennis Diehl said,

"I gotta get a gullible following somehow."

Not gonna happen, Dennis. After all these years you still lack the qualities necessary to "get a gullible following..." Like, for instance, you have a conscience, a sense of right and wrong, a smattering of decency about you, and an ego that admits that you could actually be wrong about something. You need to overcome all that stuff if you want to fleece the flock.

Richard noted:"I worked in corporate America in co...

2008-08-24T01:27:00.000+12:00

Richard noted:

"I worked in corporate America in competitive jobs most of my life (made it to the Vice President level in a $200 Million company)"

Hi Richard, long time not phone chat!

I worked for a 200 million dollar CORPORATE SOUL , made it all the way to Preaching elder by age 24, never a look again after that.

Generically calculating, I "inspired" for better or worse, the giving of over 40 million in nearly three decades. (sorry about that! I thought it was right at the time.)

I then had to beg for an occasional raise learning to buy high and sell low to move to the next area for Jesus ...and all I got was a miracle from Jesus (as explain to me by Ron Kelley) and a be warmed and be filled slap on the back from the Dept of Reconciliation. They said they'd pray for me.

I pointed out that WCG didn't need to reconcile racially near as much as with everyone else. Well that went over like a lead brick.

I really hesitate to even chat about my financial contributions to the church in time, money , youth etc and what seems to me to be a rather clouded got old future because there is always that person who reads AW that punches me in the face with "and I hope you go straight to hell and suffer for it all because you were a minister and deserve what you "got"' That's a soul ripper to me. But being open about it all is therapy for myself as well soooooo..one takes the chance I suppose. I still would like to know where every other former full time minister went and why they don't reveal themselves on AW.

I suppose I"ll drift away from this all at some point for my own good. I've sworn off AW at least ten times :)

I have such great experiences. I hate what disorganized religion does to people.

Call me again sometime, I need a good laugh!

Real estate is a localized market as most know. Th...

2008-08-24T00:13:00.000+12:00

Real estate is a localized market as most know. The adage, “Real estate is location, location, location” applies.

I am Washington, D.C. based, and I can tell you that if Weinland’s and Pack’s homes pictured were here in the Washington, D.C. area, they would be about $1 Million+ homes – even in this present down market. Meredith’s I can’t tell from the picture, but it would be at least $750,000 here in Washington. I had to say this in order to put the cult masters homes into proper perspective for myself so that I can relate to them.

For contrast and perspective, I worked in corporate America in competitive jobs most of my life (made it to the Vice President level in a $200 Million company), own my own business, and I live in a modest $400,000 house (that is modest in Washington, D.C.).

Fear religion is a very lucrative business. The homes of the cult masters provide the evidence. What more can I say?

Richard

annon said:"He traveled back and forth between Gal...

2008-08-23T22:51:00.000+12:00

annon said:

"He traveled back and forth between Galilee and Jerusalem."

Obviously you have never made the little back and forth between Galilee and Jerusalem on foot.

Three Gospels say Jesus ministry was just one year and John says three. It's over a hundred miles of waste howling desert wilderness and a thirty mile trip UP mountain from Jerico to Jerusalem.

How many times have you walked thru the desert like that in one year? I drove it twice.

It's always interesting to me how people can figure out just what Bible characters did 2000 years ago when they know nothing about what their own grandfathers did in 1956 , or what they did themselves last year.

Dave's home is amazing. It's overarching. Stupendous really. I don't think I have quite seen a a humble couple called by God to follow Jesus example, quite like this before brethren. I"m sure Dave has told the church he needs that in God's work because he's tall.

All kidding aside. It's stunning the materialism one can enjoy in Jesus name.

Any home for the average person in Galilee amongst fishermen would be at best a shack. They still are or all connected as shops with back rooms for families in town. Sepphoris, a town just four miles from Nazereth was Roman and prosperous. Strange it is never mentioned in the NT and most have never heard of it. Nicer than Galilee for sure.

There is some evidence that Nazareth did not exist as anything but a necropolis during Jesus time and NT writers, not knowing this and misusing the OT "prophecies". nuther story.

I gotta get a gullible following somehow. I'd like a log home!

I remember Herb explaining his obligation to live ...

2008-08-23T21:01:00.000+12:00

I remember Herb explaining his obligation to live a little high on the, uh, hog because of his AICF responsibility. He asked the membership if they expected him to take the visiting potentates to McDonalds...

Not every HWA-wannabe can afford colleges, a cultural foundation, a fleet of aircraft -- but at least they can have a nice place to live in case the odd dictator drops by.

And, of course, God loves quality.

With Halloween ghost and pumpkins on the steps? Me...

2008-08-23T17:44:00.000+12:00

With Halloween ghost and pumpkins on the steps? Me thinketh not!

Re: Jesus the homeownerRemember GTA's Real (estate...

2008-08-23T17:06:00.000+12:00

Re: Jesus the homeowner

Remember GTA's Real (estate)Jesus? Back when GTA was on radio, I can remember he speculated that Jesus owned at least one home, and perhaps several.

At the time, I thought this was just to counter the popular notion that Jesus was poor.