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If you want a true end time Prophet, then that is ...

2008-04-27T14:07:00.000+12:00

If you want a true end time Prophet, then that is Michael Mullen, author of teh book War of the Angels and is currently writing his second book Reign of Terror. This guy went through profound supernatural experiences in teh 70's and recorded them in a book. His story is being made into a film by Amadeus pictures and he underwent a lie detector test which he passsed. He does not give specific dates but merley says that WW 3 will happen. He is NOTHING like Ron Weinland who in my opinion is just a false prophet. Twenty five years ago when the book was first
printed Michael Mullen wrote that Juan Carlos was most likley the antichrist, now in the present day we day that prophesy coming true, as he is the "leader of the 11th nation to join the revived roman empire" (the EU), who according to the Bible will be the antichrist, The bible also says that the antichrist will come as a man in peace, and that he will make a 7 year truce with Israel, Juan carlos has been very active behind
the scenes as far as the Palistinian / Israeli conflict goes so far that he won the Mercury prize in Germany
last year for creating a perfect blue print for a peace plan for Israel / Palistine. Other prophesies coming
true include the chipping of people, with microchips, already many people in the world have recieved actual microchips in
their bodies and more recently a card is being developed much like a credit card with a barcode that will hold
all your details such as passport and drivers licence.

Please visit the main website below and read thousands of testemonial of supernatural experiences by people, any problems or questions please do not hesitate to contact me

http://www.waroftheangels.com

Back in February Gavin had an entry about the hard...

2008-04-18T17:54:00.000+12:00

Back in February Gavin had an entry about the hard times that had fallen on the condo market in west Pasadena.

At that time I went to the LA county Assessors web site and did a bit of searching, and the recent comments on 363 Grove reminded me of a map I saw there.

The link is:

http://maps.assessor.lacounty.gov/mapping/viewAssessorMapPDF.asp?val=5713-027

If the link doesn't work, go to the LA County government site, find the Assessors page, then do a parcel search. Since Grove has been vacated, search by street intersection, using Orange Grove and Del Mar. Click on one of the parcels, and you should get a current parcel map that shows the vacated Grove Street.

As for "363", it doesn't show street addresses, but it had to be somewhere between Orange Grove and St. John to be on campus.

As you poke around on the other parcels for the old campus, you'll note that the academic/admin part all have recording dates of 1/31/05, but do not show a sales price. The housing along Orange Grove seems to have been sold in bulk, with many of the parcels recording 7/21/05. The two colored in orange must have been subsequently sold, each for $40 million.

KMS

Not wanting to risk leaving it too late, I listene...

2008-04-17T19:23:00.000+12:00

Not wanting to risk leaving it too late, I listened to the whole of that interview "while it was still yesterday".

If you disregard the content (or don't attempt to evaluate it), RW's "matter-of-fact" presentation comes across as frighteningly reasonable. Made me think of something G.K. Chesterton wrote: "The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason." That's an insight we would all do well to keep in mind. (I am not suggesting that RW or anybody else is "mad", of course - just sharing this generalised insight.)

Something else occurred to me a few hours later: RW has clearly stated that [to paraphrase] if these things do not come to pass, he will admit that he was a false prophet and will stop preaching. That is certainly commendable. What I find revealing is his implied criterion for qualifying as a false prophet. Because RW is not the only one to whom HIS VERY OWN CRITERION could be applied. Excuse the capital letters - but, with his take on "just what do you mean... false prophet?" RW appears to be in the process of single-handedly blowing not only himself but also an entire religious system out of the water - with not a single nuclear device in sight!

Don't forget though! On the McConnell show, Weinla...

2008-04-17T07:10:00.000+12:00

Don't forget though! On the McConnell show, Weinland gave himself until "mid-July or even later than that". McConnell pinned him down to "If after Labour Day we're still having a picnic?" and Weinland agreed to that.

In the March 29 sermon, it was "by Pentecost or the end of July".

The fact that he hasn't even made up his mind on which date he's going to try and "get the church back on track" a la the Herbster, suggests that he probably isn't going to do it.

With George Bush, Dick Cheney and Tony Blair at th...

2008-04-17T06:29:00.000+12:00

With George Bush, Dick Cheney and Tony Blair at the helms, any Bible prophecy can seem to come true without anyone's amazing ability to see it coming. We have some seriously sick psychopathic leadership in the world today.

In his Wales interview, Weinland stated that if th...

2008-04-17T05:50:00.000+12:00

In his Wales interview, Weinland stated that if things have not dramatically changed by June of 08, then he's a false prophet.

I'm not drinking the Kool Aide just yet, but if some of the things in his book actually start to happen, I may open that sucker up, otherwise, it will be great fire fodder.

I hereby predict that we will see Tom's photo here...

2008-04-15T19:14:00.000+12:00

I hereby predict that we will see Tom's photo here within the next 5-7 years.

Aw, Tom....You are deflecting, again.A commonly us...

2008-04-15T07:19:00.000+12:00

Aw, Tom....

You are deflecting, again.
A commonly used tactic when cult-indoctrinated people are confronted with views other than the ones believed by the cultist.

It's a common way in which cult-indoctrinated people protect their delusions. I understand that it might blow your mind to try thinking outside your little herbie-induced box.

So, let's go back.
What I'm saying is, it's easy for most people to comprehend. Theodor Seuss Geisel would agree, and maybe even say things about it like:
"You can do it in a box.
You can do it with a fox..."

Ok, here we go, Tom-I-am.
Ready?
Got your tea and cake?
Got the family gathered around the computer?
Ok, take a deep breath and read:

It was asserted that herbie was a false prophet.

You responded with the following "logic":
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*I learned God's Truth from MISTER Armstrong, and...

*God would not use a false prophet to teach His Truth...

*Therefore, MISTER Armstrong could not be a false prophet!
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Ok, Tom. I hope you're sitting down for this one:
Within that so-called "logic", there is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSE to whether herbie made prophecies, and whether they were false. NONE!

Your response was a deflection, and meant to bolster the cult-induced delusion in your mind, plain and simple.

So, I pointed out:
"Hey, just take out 'MISTER Armstrong' from the above and substitute names such as Reverend Moon, Joseph Smith, or Jim Jones.
You can see how people deluded by other cult teachings use the same ostensible logic."

What's the matter, Tom?

You don't like people to point out the fact that you tend to react in ways typical of those under the influence of cult indoctrination?

You know, I'm sure that many people reading here notice that that's what's going on with you.
It's easy! In fact, Theodor Seuss Geisel would agree, and maybe even say things about it like:
"They can do it in a house.
They can do it with a mouse.
They can do it here or there.
They can do it anywhere..."

In other words, Tom-I-am, it's easy to notice that, as I wrote before:

YOU ARE ACTING IN A PREDICTABLE MANNER! ONE WHICH HAS BEEN USED OVER AND OVER BY THE CULT-INDOCTRINATED, IN DEFENDING THE CULT LEADERS OF ALL SORTS OF CULTS!

So, have a bite of cake, and a sip of tea, and then take a deep breath. Read that last paragraph.
People notice it, Tom.

VonHowitzer said... Gavin:Pay no attention to the ...

2008-04-15T02:20:00.000+12:00

VonHowitzer said...
Gavin:

Pay no attention to the wheedling of Dennis Diehl!!

Weedling? Uh uh. Just a fun way to ask if the lesson had been learned.

dd

mel said...>>You can see how people deluded by oth...

2008-04-14T20:30:00.000+12:00

mel said...

>>You can see how people deluded by other cult teachings use the same ostensible logic. It's fun and easy, try it!<<

Is this what you call a cogent, coherent and persuasive argument? Perhaps it is time for me to announce that I am a prophet. For I prophesied thus: "But I am fully persuaded that you will either be unwilling or, what is more likely, INCAPABLE of constructing a cogent and persuasive defence in support of your BEER assertion."

And though the term "BEER" was intended to be a pun, aimed at Ned, it turned out to be an apt description of the origin of your assertion.

Tom, you may find it shocking that people under th...

2008-04-14T18:58:00.000+12:00

Tom, you may find it shocking that people under the influence of many different wacky destructive cults' teachings have used so-called logic similar to yours. I'm talking about your idea that:

*I learned God's Truth from MISTER Armstrong, and...

*God would not use a false prophet to teach His Truth...

*Therefore, MISTER Armstrong could not be a false prophet!

Oh, Tom! That's such an overused cheesy argument by other cult members, you may be jealous to learn.

Hey, just take out "MISTER Armstrong" from the above and substitute names such as Reverend Moon, Joseph Smith, or Jim Jones.

You can see how people deluded by other cult teachings use the same ostensible logic.
It's fun and easy, try it!

You can do it in a box.
You can do it with a fox.
You can do it in a house.
You can do it with a mouse.
You can do it here or there.
You can do it anywhere.
You can do it eating cake.
You can do it while you rake.
You can do it drinking tea.
You can do it while you pee.
You can do it Tom-I-am.
Just don't do it eating ham.

Maybe it's time to have a contest between your daughters to come up with some better logic for you- something that's not an age old standard defense of goofy cult leaders of all different stripes

Gavin:Pay no attention to the wheedling of Dennis ...

2008-04-14T18:47:00.000+12:00

Gavin:

Pay no attention to the wheedling of Dennis Diehl!! One has only to look at the nearly dead JLF to see what happens to discussion when every topic gets hijacked into some stupid did/didn't neverending argument that has nothing to do with the original topic.

KMS

37 is the Biblical number of destruction.So said F...

2008-04-14T16:27:00.000+12:00

37 is the Biblical number of destruction.

So said Family Radio's Harold Camping a few weeks ago -- another man who predicts Jesus will come back in 2011. He's pinned "the end of the world" as 10/21/11.

You get that number, by the way, from the days the flood covered the earth. 37 x 10 = 370, you see.

Ronnie's meeting with El Papa will be most interes...

2008-04-14T14:38:00.000+12:00

Ronnie's meeting with El Papa will be most interesting.Of course, he will be expected to genuflect before the Papal luminary and kiss the Pontifical ring finger.

Tea with two sugars and club tomato and cucumber sandwiches,with a slice of lemon,will,I am sure, be the order of the day,drunk out of Meissen china.

I wonder what sort of gift Ronnie will present to his Holiness? Steuben crystal perhaps.

Ronnie will be comforted to know that the Pope does not claim to be a prophet,only the direct successsor to St Peter the Apostle.

Truly,we live in interesting times.

It maybe,as I type this, that the EU is loading paratroopers aboard military aircraft bound for Jerusalem.

Head for the hills!!

Petra,here we come.

Sin-seerly yours

Jorgheinz

04 14 08 @ 10:31 adds up to 67. That is the number...

2008-04-14T13:30:00.000+12:00

04 14 08 @ 10:31 adds up to 67. That is the number of Dennis is right.

Let's ignore the crazy ones. Do not respond to HWA was like unto one of the 12 type of posts. Instead of Tom it's now Ron who we need to be concerned with. And this can be done without name calling.

I believe God has revealed to me that Ron is indee...

2008-04-14T12:51:00.000+12:00

I believe God has revealed to me that Ron is indeed the first witness and that Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry are the second witness.

This is because both Dave and Gerald are "Half Witt's" each so it takes both to make one.

Remember you heard it form ME. If I am wrong, I will stop down.

Oh Gavin, Be merciful and of tender compassion to ...

2008-04-14T10:31:00.000+12:00

Oh Gavin, Be merciful and of tender compassion to we, your poster children. Visit us not in thine furry any longer and forgive our sin. Look down upon your servants and restore unto us that which only you moderate.

We have sinned. We are but dry grass under thine feet, yet are we repentant and humble of heart. Hear our cry. De-moderate us in thine loving kindness Gavin, and rebuke us no more in sore displeasure.

For an enemy as shown tares amongst us betime and in our foolishness have we answered fools according to their folly, or not depending, and provoked thee unto moderation in thine wrath.

Demoderate us as the times of the end draw quickly upon us. In the Sign of Aries on day 17, shall the first trumpet sound. Leave us not with moderation in that day. We beg thee of Gavin of Zealand.

Free us Oh Gavin, for we repent in sack cloth and garbs too numberous to mention.

In your loving kindness now be merciful to us. In compassion, blot out the stains of our inquitous comments. For before you we show our broken spirt, which we know to you is a sacfice most sweet. And our broken, contrite hearts, thou..Gavin, Lord of Zealand the New, shall not despise.

Restore us to non-moderation, lest we perish. The first Trumpet which we will not be able to hear, draweth nigh. But we must speak of that which we cannot hear. Pulllllllllllease Lord Gavin, free thine servants to do your will.

Sacrfice doth thou not want..pfffft...thou carest not for it. But our broken spirit do you seek. Yea, our spirit is broken. Despise us no longer betimes.

In the Name of Captain James Cook, we implore thee and thank thee for all thine blog hath wrought.

Amen

In the past couple days, we've talked to two peopl...

2008-04-14T03:35:00.000+12:00

In the past couple days, we've talked to two people who have spent time in Jerusalem and one of them spent a year there.

According to both of them, every few weeks another of the two witnesses would show up.

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses" how can we deny the truth of all this?

It's so obvious that it just has to be true! Particularly if your brain has dissociated from reality and you, as an Armstrongist, are dyslexic given to wrong attribution!

Burgers said... "If you think about it, it all mak...

2008-04-14T02:49:00.000+12:00

Burgers said...
"If you think about it, it all makes sense: This is what Armstrongists are all about."

Please refrain from throwing a blanket over someone like Mr. Weinland and other COGs. His actions are certainly not condoned by many other "Armstrongists".

Sun Apr 13, 08:58:00 AM NZST

I say, "Thank you Burgers!" We are not all agreeing with Ron and many of us hold to that which we have proven good scripturally, or as someone earlier said, "Armstrongists". We hold to many of the teachings Herbert Armstrong introduced that were in the scriptures, but not to everything he said.

Do Numbers Count? "Seven times a day do I praise t...

2008-04-13T21:30:00.000+12:00

Do Numbers Count?

"Seven times a day do I praise thee, Because of thy righteous ordinances" (Psalm 119:164)

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy; six days you shall labor and do all your work;
and the seventh day is a Sabbath to Jehovah your God (Exodus 20:8)

Over thirty times in the Scriptures is the phrase 'seven times' used. It applied to the priestly duties and it applied to prophetic statements. The number forty also crops up frequently, as does 'a thousand'. There's 'seven' - 467 times it appears, 93 in the New Testament. Then there's the mysterious '666'. And there's the idea that man's 'day' is 6000 years. Is there any significance to numbers in the Bible? Are they literal or symbolic?

...most numbers used in the Scriptures are just that - numeric values to be taken at face value: the twelve tribes, for example, or the numbers slain in battle or the size of armies (or are they rounded up, just as in modern reportage?)

...some usage is clearly not literal: 'the cattle on a thousand hills are mine' doesn't limit God's inheritance, nor does 'a thousand shall fall at your side' limit Israel's prowess in battle

...then there are the obviously symbolic numbers: eg 666, over which Bible students squabble as to the meaning

...what of the 144,000? Is seven always literal or does it sometimes have symbolic meaning? And what of that thousand years - the 'millennium? Or forty - sometimes literal, sometimes symbolic?

...also contentious: the 6000 years assigned to man's self-rule. It is nowhere in the Bible explicitly stated as such, but derives from the analogy of the God-appointed seven-day week. Just as God 'worked' for six days and rested on the seventh - so man is left largely to his own devices for six 'thousand-year days' which will be followed by one such day of 'rest' under the reign of Messiah

...this idea has focused minute scrutiny on prospective dates - all, so far, wrong - for the return of Jesus, and is based on Archbishop Ussher's date for creation as 4004BC. It fuels the view that we are now in the 'end time', with millions of Christians expectantly awaiting the 'rapture'

...we are now, based on Ussher's date, a decade past the expiry of the six thousand years. One explanation for the discrepancy is that Jesus has 'delayed his coming' - based on Jesus' parable in Luke 12:40ff.. Or, the calculation - notoriously difficult - of six thousand years may be in error

...it is also possible that the 6000 years is analogy, symbolic. It informs us that our human tenure of Planet Earth is temporary. We have made such chaos that God must, ultimately, intervene to save us from self-inflicted annihilation, and to Himself take over the reins of government for a literal or symbolic thousand years

...whatever - the fact is that we are hell-bent on destroying our planet, with mankind failing to learn from previous catastrophic mistakes. Multiple factors point to our imminent destruction. Jesus warned: 'And you, then, be ready; for in the hour you think not, the Son of Man comes' (Luke 12:40).

Tom:"BEER assertion"?I'll drink to that! A beer s...

2008-04-13T20:46:00.000+12:00

Tom:
"BEER assertion"?

I'll drink to that! A beer should go well with Ned's honey sandwich...

mel quibbles about>>*I learned God's Truth from MI...

2008-04-13T20:38:00.000+12:00

mel quibbles about

>>*I learned God's Truth from MISTER Armstrong, and...

*God would not use a false prophet to teach His Truth...

*Therefore, MISTER Armstrong could not be a false prophet!<<

Mel>>>(never mind the obvious lack of logic in that dandy of so-called 'logical progression'!)<<<

"Obvious?" This is another bare assertion, unsupported by evidence or argument! To simple minded, deluded Armstrongists, blinded by the mantra, "prove all things," nothing is obvious unless it is demonstrated to be so! But I am fully persuaded that you will either be unwilling or, what is more likely, incapable of constructing a cogent and persuasive defence in support of your BEER assertion.

Mel,It's called dissociation. Armstrongism is fill...

2008-04-13T17:59:00.000+12:00

Mel,

It's called dissociation.

Armstrongism is filled with it.

Don't try to reason with it.

Just a friendly tip.

Or to put another way, my first Law:

Never argue with someone you know has a mental disorder.

Or worse, several of them.

Newsflash! I got a scoop and an informant gave me ...

2008-04-13T16:46:00.000+12:00

Newsflash! I got a scoop and an informant gave me a picture of the second witness!

Not that he'd be saying anything Ronnie wouldn't say himself...

An anonymous poster soon to be chastised by Tommy-...

2008-04-13T16:41:00.000+12:00

An anonymous poster soon to be chastised by Tommy-boy posted
Please excuse my ignorance, but just when do we get to be introduced to Rotten Ronnie's sidekick, Mr. Second Witness?

It will be announced from Jerusalem on the 19th. Or maybe it's the 17th. Rotten Ronnie has mentioned both dates.

What has been bothering me is who will be the head honcho, you know the boss man. Is it witness number one? Witness number two? Or will Misteeeer Pack insist that he is above all and is in total and complete authority.

Ronnie-boy has stated that he will be the spokesman for the 2 witlesses. Smart money is on his wife being the 2nd witless. In any case, the 2nd witless won't have to say anything -- seems to me that contradicts the idea of being a witness. And no, the Packatolla doesn't get to play in Ronnie's sandbox.

This is all so confusing.
Yeah, Ronnie will baffle you with BS if you let him.