Comments on Ambassador Watch: Moderation and a Lost Logo

"You are the simple one. You did not read my comme...

2007-04-06T01:18:00.000+12:00

"You are the simple one. You did not read my comment."

Yes, I did, and I took it very literally.

"I said all churches. All includes Herbs church. All includes his minions too."

Yes, that's how I interpreted your words.

"I was there and I did suffer."

As did we all, though some of us (such as myself) got through it a lot easier than others. I didn't have some of the horrendous experiences than others did.

You are the simple one. You did not read my commen...

2007-04-04T23:54:00.000+12:00

You are the simple one. You did not read my comment. I said all churches. All includes Herbs church. All includes his minions too. I was there and I did suffer.

Who is the good looking girl pictured on the Livin...

2007-04-04T22:23:00.000+12:00

Who is the good looking girl pictured on the Living University homepage? Is she a real LU student, or a fraud "stock photo"?

Does she look good, but taste bad -just like LU?

So you write>It is that simple to understandPerhap...

2007-04-03T16:02:00.000+12:00

So you write>It is that simple to understand<
Perhaps for those with a simple mind, however for those who have suffered and struggled through the mental and financial confusion caused be the herbster and his minions, it is a different story! Go back to your wall where herbies picture is mounted and pray. Perhaps the herbster will tell you how to respond!

"I may remember incorrectly my linguistic rules, b...

2007-04-03T14:52:00.000+12:00

"I may remember incorrectly my linguistic rules, but you have supplied me with several numbers that seem to say that the number six has the sound(s) of si or se or x somewhere within the sound of the number in Indo-European numbers."

What possible significance could there be in the "si" or "se" sound? Does it remind you of the Serpent or something? Or is it that you think there's occult correlation between "six" and sex?

"Gaelic = seachd"

Hint: in Gaelic that letter "s" is pronounced "sh," and "ch" is silent. So, no "se" sound and no "ex" sound.

"Greek = hex"

No "se" sound, but there's the dreaded X.

"Latin = sex"

There you go.

"English & French = six"

French "six" is not pronounced "six." The X is silent.

"Spanish & Portuguese = seis"

"Se" sound, but no X.

"I say again that stigma is a symbol for an obsolete irregular number between 5 and 6, and, therefore, cannot be 6 or sound like six, in Greek or English."

I must again correct you. "Stigma" is a ligature of the Greek letters "sigma" and "tau," and in the Middle Ages began to be used as a symbol of the number 6 (NOT an irregular number between 5 and 6). There is no evidence for the symbol stigma in the first century A.D. when St. John lived.

Not that it even matters whether or not "stigma" can be pronounced the same as the number 6 in English. . . .

"If you read Rev 13:18 in the original Greek, you will see that the number of[for] the man is Chi Xi Stigma [sorry, the Greek letters don't come across]. Since stigma cannot be six"

Except for the fact that stigma IS six.

"it should be a clue that 'number' may stand for something else instead of numerals."

Even if stigma cannot be six, it does not logically follow that "number" stands for something besides "numerals."

"Mr. Olar, when you are numbered among the faithful, do you cease being known as Mr. Olar, and become Mr. 555?"

No, when I am numbered among the faithful, I am known as Polycarp.

"Or are you still Mr. Olar, but also known by the number, 'one of many' faithful?"

I'm still Mr. Olar, and you are still Anonymous.

"In Greene's Interlinear Greek New Testament, an * appears above the Chi Xi Stigma, and in the margin is added 3 Strong's numbers, 1812, 1835, and 1803. Since this is adding to Scripture, which we are strictly forbidden to do, especially to add to the book of Revelation 22:18, accepting or using the number 666 is adding to Scripture."

Sorry, that's about the most asinine thing I've heard in quite some time. Translating the Bible is a violation of Rev. 22:18, eh? So we should only be reading Revelation in the original Koine Greek? And I thought it was us Catholics who wanted to keep the Bible locked up in a language nobody can understand . . . .

It's getting hard to avoid the sense that I'm not dealing with someone who lives most of his time in the same universe as the rest of us . . . .

"X = capital X stands for the name of Christ as in Xmas"

Yes, the Greek letter Chi is the first letter of Christos.

"X = stands for the recognized mark that one who does not know how to read or write employs to 'sign' his name"

X also marks the spot. That's where the pirates buried their gold dubloons.

"stigma = means mark or tattoo or piercing to show to whom one belongs"

It also refers to just about any kind of injury or flesh wound.

"Chi xi stigma is an a(cros)tic for the name or mark or sign of Christ."

Aha, so you're saying that Jesus Christ is the Antichrist! The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of false prophecy, just as Revelation says!

"The cross is a recognized symbol for Christ."

Yes, because it is on the Cross that He won us redemption by His blood. That's why Christians revere the Cross, which to you has become a sign of contradiction.

"The mark or sign of the cross is a recognized symbol for Christianity and the Church, not necessarily God's church."

I would have to agree that there's no doubt your "Church of God" is not the Church of the New Testament or the historical Church.

"I say again, if you as a monk transcribing the texts came to understand that the number/name of the beast is actually the mark/tattoo of the cross of Christ, a symbol you and your church employ to marry, bury, and dole out other sacraments, wouldn't you seek to obscure the meaning of this verse, especially before anyone, i.e., common man or others could read the text you are copying?"

That's a pretty big if. There's not a shred of evidence that any monk ever came to view Rev. 13:18 in the same oddball way that you do. We do know, however, that in the Eastern Church the Greek letters for "666" are interpreted symbolically in this fashion: Chi = Christ, Stigma = Man, and the Digamma between Christ and Man is interpreted as the Serpent who came between them and separated them, leading Man to sin and death. But then Greek-speaking Christians couldn't be expected to understand the Greek language as well as an English-speaking fundamentalist such as yourself, could they? That must be why they don't realise that "666" is actually a tatto of a Christian cross.

"Remember, few outside of monasteries could read in vernacular, let alone Latin, nor were many books around to be read."

Depends on which period of time you're talking about, and which part of Europe. In some times and places literacy was quite impaired, but in the High Middle Ages books and literacy were pretty widespread in most places.

"By the time that the Bible did become common place in Europe, and people/aristocracy could read it, the tradition [of men] had already been established that the mark of the beast was 666."

Yes, a "tradition of men" that first appears in the writings of the Greek-speaking St. Irenaeus of Lyons, in the latter decades of the second century A.D. St. Irenaeus said the number is 666, and he was even aware of the variant textual reading of 616. That was LOOOOONG before your hypothetical medieval monk supposedly altered the biblical text to make people think the number of the Beast's name is 666.

"Whoever the first monk/abbot/priest copier was added to the book to protect the legacy of his church and his/its livelihood."

Well, it must have been St. Irenaesus of Lyons. He's the first guy to say the number is 666, so maybe he's the guy who changed the text. He was a Catholic bishop, after all, just in case there was any doubt remaining about how nefarious and devious St. Irenaeus must have been.

"Are you willing to perpetuate the traditions of men?"

No. That's why I think your private interpretation of Rev. 13:18 is a bucket of hyena offal that I'm just not going to stick my head in.

"Have you looked up this verse for yourself in the original?"

Yes.

"Again, you are one of many; your place in line may be number six hundred and sixty-sixth, but does that make you a beast?"

No, but then my name isn't Nero either.

"Or are you still known as Mr. Olar, regardless of where you stand among many?"

Here I stand, I can do nothing else.

"I do not despise the cross. I recognize that it is an instrument of death, a death for which I am grateful, but neither do I venerate it. Nor will I wear it as jewelry nor decorate the walls of my home or church nor accept its tattoo."

Well, you're welcome to your personal preference, but of course most Christians look on that symbol with honor, because it represents the means by which Jesus effected the reconciliation of God and Man. Just don't go around telling Christians that they're doing something evil by expressing their gratitude for Christ's sacrifice by using the visual arts, because it's poppycock.

Dear Mr. Olar,I may remember incorrectly my lingui...

2007-04-03T06:02:00.000+12:00

Dear Mr. Olar,

I may remember incorrectly my linguistic rules, but you have supplied me with several numbers that seem to say that the number six has the sound(s) of si or se or x somewhere within the sound of the number in Indo-European numbers.

Gaelic = seachd
Greek = hex
Latin = sex
English & French = six
Spanish & Portuguese = seis

I say again that stigma is a symbol for an obsolete inrregular number between 5 and 6, and, therefore, cannot be 6 or sound like six, in Greek or English.

If you read Rev 13:18 in the original Greek, you will see that the number of[for] the man is Chi Xi Stigma [sorry, the Greek letters don't cmoe across].

Since stigma cannot be six, is should be a clue that "number" may stand for something else instead of numerals.

Mr. Olar, when you are numbered among the faithful, do you cease being known as Mr. Olar, and become Mr. 555? Or are you still Mr. Olar, but also known by the number, "one of many" faithful?

In Greene's Interlinear Greek New Testament, an * appears above the Chi Xi Stigma, and in the margin is added 3 Strong's numbers, 1812, 1835, and 1803. Since this is adding to Scripture, which we are strictly forbidden to do, especially to add to the book of Revelation 22:18, accepting or using the number 666 is adding to Scripture.

X = capital X stands for the name of Christ as in Xmas

X = stands for the recognized mark that one who does not know how to read or write employs to "sign" his name

xi = stands for cross

stigma = means mark or tattoo or piercing to show to whom one belongs

Chi xi stigma is an a(cros)tic for the name or mark or sign of Christ. The cross is a recognized symbol for Christ. The mark or sign of the cross is a recognized symbol for Christianity and the Church, not necessarily God's church.

I say again, if you as a monk transcribing the texts came to understand that the number/name of the beast is actually the mark/tattoo of the cross of Christ, a symbol you and your church employ to marry, bury, and dole out other sacraments, wouldn't you seek to obscure the meaning of this verse, especially before anyone, i.e., common man or others could read the text you are copying? Remember, few outside of monasteries could read in vernacular, let alone Latin, nor were many books around to be read. By the time that the Bible did become common place in Europe, and people/aristocracy could read it, the tradition [of men] had already been established that the mark of the beast was 666. Whoever the first monk/abbot/priest copier was added to the book to protect the legacy of his church and his/its livelihood.

Are you willing to perpetuate the traditions of men? Have you looked up this verse for yourself in the original?

Again, you are one of many; your place in line may be number six hundred and sixty-sixth, but does that make you a beast? Or are you still known as Mr. Olar, regardless of where you stand among many?

Christ died on a cross, it was the preferred method of the time to punish capital offenders in Rome/Roman provinces. It kills by slowly taking the breath away, so that one suffocates and dies. Christ said, "To you I commend my spirit." He died as he gasped His last breath. Breath is life--taking your breath is killing you.

I do not despise the cross. I recognize that it is an instrument of death, a death for which I am grateful, but neither do I venerate it. Nor will I wear it as jewelry nor decorate the walls of my home or church nor accept its tattoo.

If I as the antichrist [as in place of Christ, not necessarily against Christ] deceive you into becoming my slave [as shown by your acceptance of the tattoo of the cross], how better to deceive you than to have you accept the recognized mark of Christians today, when I know that this mark will become the mark of the beast?

Respectfully,
Anonymous

"Everything that pertains to religion is Satan's."...

2007-04-02T15:56:00.000+12:00

"Everything that pertains to religion is Satan's."

Oh well, then I guess we're all going to hell. Yippie. If even Jesus the Savior is of the Devil, then we truly are without hope. May as well live it, then, and get your kicks before it all ends in the fire.

"You say, but Christ said to take up my cross and follow Him … Mark 8:34, but this word could be rendered as stake or tether, as in tethering your dog in the yard."

So you'd rather we wear dog collars and leashes instead of crosses and crucifixes?

"If he or you pull up the stake, he or you are now free to go elsewhere, and the elsewhere is to follow Christ--you no longer live your own life your way, but He lives in you, and you live for Christ--you have died to yourself."

Died to yourself??? So the dog tether is an instrument of DEATH! We must have no respect for instruments of death, so those verses about taking up our dog leashes must be snipped out of the Bible!

Really, it's hilarious the ways people can twist and "translate" Scripture to keep the Bible from saying something they wish it didn't say.

"In Gal 2:20 Paul says, 'I am crucified with Christ, and no longer live, I, but Christ lives in me; but in that I now live in flesh, I live by faith, the faith of the Son of God …' you and Paul have crucified your old man [in baptism we are baptized unto the death of Christ] and you rise anew and live a new life, a different way of life, you follow Christ, not your own way any longer."

But that must be a mistranslation too. The correct translation is, "I have been tied to the dog tether with Christ, and I no longer roam the neighborhood marking trees and dropping my feces in yards. The life I now live is the life of a forlorn hound dog."

"An instrument of death, i.e., the cross, should not be a symbol that is venerated."

Why not? St. Paul said that he would glory in only one thing -- the Cross of Christ. Do you think you know better than St. Paul?

"Constantine employed it"

Employed what? The Cross, or the Chi Rho?

"Catholics used it--why wouldn't they begin to use these letters as 666."

I dunno, maybe because the Catholic Bible says 666 is the mark of the Beast and the number of his name, and that it is a sin to receive that mark?

"How could they allow anyone to actually 'read' what the letters on the page say,"

Why wouldn't they allow them to read the letters on the page? How can anyone learn the Christian message without reading those letters? (But of course you're talking about treating Holy Writ like an occult, gnostic tome, filled with hidden meanings that only folks like you can see.)

"the cross of Christ as a tattoo is the mark of the beast."

You keep talking about tattoos. Since when have Catholics ever had a rite of receiving cross tattoos on their flesh?

"God says not to make marks on yourself--if you don't believe me, believe God--do not ever take a tattoo, of the cross or anything else."

Duly noted. Tattoos bad. Cross even worse. Got it.

"We are to use no image to say we are of God"

Why not? There's nothing in the Bible or in ancient Christian tradition that forbids it, so why shouldn't we do it?

"The Sabbath was sign of Israel, the church is Spiritual Israel, it needs no symbol to mark it as true, other than its obedience."

We're not talking about what is necessary, we're talking about what is permitted.

"Finnish six is 'kuusi.' Correct, but Finno-Ugaric is not an Indo-European language: it and Basque are two annomalies within the European landscape."

Okay, I'll grant you that. My information is apparently out-of-date, since in the past it was believed that Finno-Ugric languages belonged to the Indo-European family.

But it's still not true that all Indo-European languages use an X or an "eks" sound in representing the number 6. In Spanish and Portuguese, the word for 6 is "seis." And as I said before, the Greek language does not use an X or an "eks" sound for the number 6. Again, in Gaelic the word for 6 is "seachd," which I can assure you has neither an X sign in it, nor does it have any sounds at all like the letter X.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about, that you made up the bit about, "In Indo-European language, one cannot have the number six without an 'x' 'ex' sound." Even if Finno-Ugric is non-Indo-European, you're still dead wrong.

"I did not say that stigma said 'six.'"

I didn't say you did either.

"Stigma was an irrational number between 5 and 6, it never meant six. Also Greek [pie] is also an irrational number between 3 and 4 with a letter assigned to it."

That's nice, but what's it got to do with what we're talking about?

"To answer your Ezekiel question: God said to mark the men--they had no choice. Taking the mark of the beast is a choice."

Ah, so if the Israelites had willing chosen to be marked by God, then it would have been a sin, but because God marked them in spite of their free moral agency, that makes it okay for God to put a T sign on their foreheads. Okay, got it.

Actually they did have a choice. All they had to do was stop sighing and crying for the sins of their people, and God wouldn't have put a Tau on their foreheads, and then they too would have been slain. Pretty simple, really.

You just need to admit that your fear and loathing of crosses and the letter X, and the number 6, is just your own idiosyncratic opinion and has got nothing to do with what the Bible says or doesn't say.

Anon USA,One thing i Know is that pictures of "Eur...

2007-04-02T11:41:00.000+12:00

Anon USA,
One thing i Know is that pictures of "Europa riding a Bull" go way back long before Herb was even born.What time line does that author you write about have for all of this?
rod 2

How very Scriptural:Philippians 4:5

2007-04-02T08:47:00.000+12:00

How very Scriptural:

Philippians 4:5

jared olar said: Finnish six is "kuusi." Correct, ...

2007-04-02T08:43:00.000+12:00

jared olar said: Finnish six is "kuusi." Correct, but Finno-Ugaric is not an Indo-European language: it and Basque are two annomalies within the European landscape.

I did not say that stigma said "six."

Stigma was an irrational number between 5 and 6, it never meant six. Also Greek [pie] is also an irrational number between 3 and 4 with a letter assigned to it.

To answer your Ezekiel question: God said to mark the men--they had no choice. Taking the mark of the beast is a choice.

Respectfully,
Anonymous

I share the anger, the feelings of betrayal, and t...

2007-04-02T07:33:00.000+12:00

I share the anger, the feelings of betrayal, and the hope for something better.

What could be better and give more hope than the Churches of God getting
together and agreeing on the Place of Safety?

PS..it was tough to evaluate as Pastor because I t...

2007-04-02T03:44:00.000+12:00

PS..it was tough to evaluate as Pastor because I think the club was expecting me to agree with the speech..ha. Thanks Neo..I needed that!

Oh PS! I was the pastor evaluating at the time....

2007-04-02T03:42:00.000+12:00

Oh PS! I was the pastor evaluating at the time...

Neo said: "I remember a Number 8 Attack Speech at ...

2007-04-02T03:41:00.000+12:00

Neo said: "I remember a Number 8 Attack Speech at Spokesmans Club where the speaker identified the comic book hero Superman as Satan."

Oh the memories of it! I watched a number 8 attacking Hustler Magazine where the speaker hung the centerfold on the front of the lecturn, kept drawing our attention to it as the work of Satan and and "abomination in the nostrils of God."

Whew..what a beautiful example of God's creation. I drooled, obscessed, stared and then passed out. The speech was unconvincing :P

"In Indo-European language, one cannot have the nu...

2007-04-02T03:30:00.000+12:00

"In Indo-European language, one cannot have the number six without an "x" "ex" sound. Stigma does not make an x sound. The number 666 only begins to show up in Latin manuscripts in about the 10th century."

Uh oh...take COG and swirl and elongate the "C" a bit=6. Take a rightside bite out of the "O" = 6 and snip the "-" from the "G", swirl and elongate, and you have 666. Ex-666 would mean we here have overcome the..oh never mind, the voices are calling again...:)

To Steve K:It seems more important for you to diss...

2007-04-02T02:44:00.000+12:00

To Steve K:

It seems more important for you to diss everybody else and put everyone else down than to add any real substance to these discussions. As usual, it looks like you just stopped by - several times - to argue and try to pick a fight.

Perhaps if that's really what your purpose is - and that's fine if it is, but it doesn't belong here - then why don't you go start your own blog and/or forum and then you can call the shots and trash everyone in the universe and perhaps that will give you whatever it is that you feel "moderated" comments and a substantive, logical, well-thought out, related blog discussion does not.

The bottom line? If you don't like it, you have the freedom to leave and do one yourself and do it your way. One wonders why you haven't already.

The cross, again …http://nhkox.homestead.com/cruci...

2007-04-02T02:39:00.000+12:00

The cross, again …

http://nhkox.homestead.com/crucifix.html

Chi = Christ
xi = cross
stigma = tattoo, or the action of marking, piercing with two sharp sticks

How better to deceive, than to use a symbol that everyone equates with righteousness, the cross of Christ.

Constantine employed it, Catholics used it--why wouldn't they begin to use these letters as 666. They had built a landed empire in Europe with the cross as their symbol--how could they allow anyone to actually "read" what the letters on the page say, the cross of Christ as a tattoo is the mark of the beast.

God says not to make marks on yourself--if you don't believe me, believe God--do not ever take a tattoo, of the cross or anything else.

We are to use no image to say we are of God, except our obedience, counted to us as righteousness because we live by faith. The Sabbath was sign of Israel, the church is Spiritual Israel, it needs no symbol to mark it as true, other than its obedience.

Respectfully,
Anonymous

Eschewing the Cross, redux …You say, but Christ sa...

2007-04-02T02:17:00.000+12:00

Eschewing the Cross, redux …

You say, but Christ said to take up my cross and follow Him … Mark 8:34, but this word could be rendered as stake or tether, as in tethering your dog in the yard. If he or you pull up the stake, he or you are now free to go elsewhere, and the elsewhere is to follow Christ--you no longer live your own life your way, but He lives in you, and you live for Christ--you have died to yourself.

In Gal 2:20 Paul says, "I am crucified with Christ, and no longer live, I, but Christ lives in me; but in that I now live in flesh, I live by faith, the faith of the Son of God …" you and Paul have crucified your old man [in baptism we are baptized unto the death of Christ] and you rise anew and live a new life, a different way of life, you follow Christ, not your own way any longer.

An instrument of death, i.e., the cross, should not be a symbol that is venerated.

Respectfully,
Anonymous

"In Indo-European language, one cannot have the nu...

2007-04-02T02:07:00.000+12:00

"In Indo-European language, one cannot have the number six without an 'x' 'ex' sound."

Sorry, Anonymous, but you obviously don't know the slightest thing about Indo-European languages. The Finnish word for "six" is "kuusi." Also, the Greeks use the ancient letter "digamma" to represent the number 6, not a cross-sign or an X.

Your superstitious fear of, and disdain for, crosses and X's seems quite pagan.

"Stigma does not make an x sound."

Well, yes.

"The number 666 only begins to show up in Latin manuscripts in about the 10th century."

True, because it was around that time that Europeans began to adopt Arabic (actually Sanskrit) numerals.

"How better to deceive as the antichrist than to have 'Christians' prove their loyalty by taking the mark of the cross, the recognized symbol of Christianity."

But I thought Sunday-keeping was the Mark of the Beast. Now you're telling me it's the Sign of the Cross. Who do you think you are contradicting God's Endtime Apostle Herbert Armstrong!

Still, your suggestion that the Antichrist will have people adopt "the recognized symbol of Christianity" is an admission that the Cross is the recognized symbol of Christianity, not a pagan or occult symbol.

I wonder how you would explain the vision of Ezekiel in which God spares only those Israelites who are marked on their foreheads with a "mark" (Heb. "Tav" or Tau, representing the letter T) (Ezek. 9:1-6). Was Ezekiel a servant of Antichrist?

"If Christ were killed with a Colt 45, would we emblazen it upon the walls of our churches and our persons?"

Probably. Why wouldn't we?

"LCG's and others were right to eschew the cross, and to continue to do so--for it will mark you for death."

Yes, but Christ said only those who lose their lives will save it, and unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground, it will remain alone, but if it falls it will bring forth much fruit.

Do you want to know why you don't fit in? I can te...

2007-04-02T00:32:00.000+12:00

Do you want to know why you don't fit in? I can tell you, but you won't believe it. No one does. But maybe it will make you think a little.
You were part of a church that was closer to what we saw in the Bible than any other church. But we saw that it was not what we believed it was. I was there too.
Christ said he saw Satan fall from heaven. So Satan is here on this earth, isn't he? God of this world, prince of the power of the air, and all that stuff we were taught. Read Rev.12. When Satan was cast out of heaven, he cast water out of his mouth to cover the earth to get the woman. The water is all the false churches, false teachings, etc. All the churches, all religions, are Satan's all preachers, ministers. Everything that pertains to religion is Satan's.
It is that simple to understand, if we can only see it.

I come by occasionally because we are a community...

2007-04-01T17:21:00.000+12:00

I come by occasionally because we are a community. Very diverse and quite dysfunctional.

It is hard to break away from a community; even if it is dysfunctional.

There are people you know, people you love, and people you don't like.

It is extremely hard to move into another community. In today's polarized world this is very hard to do.

I can't regularly go to a Catholic church. I could visit. I can't regularly go to an Evangelical church. I can visit there too. I had a friend who attended a synagogue for a number of years. I could do that now and again I guess.

I did really enjoy visiting an Anglican church in Melbourne. It was huge, lovely, and peaceful. But I didn't fit. It was lovely for a time.

There are so few places that old Church of God types fit. So few.

So I come by this place, just now-and-again. I can relate to much of what it said. I share the anger, the feelings of betrayal, and the hope for something better.

This is a good place to visit. But I don't fit here either...

Does anyone suppose that Living University will ha...

2007-04-01T17:16:00.000+12:00

Does anyone suppose that Living University will have an extensive section on why Christians should be conscientious objectors?

Dennis said...The Tkaches got all the resources ot...

2007-04-01T17:12:00.000+12:00

Dennis said...
The Tkaches got all the resources others provided to make it all possible. That bothers me. To this day no one seems to be able to come up with how much they got selling the stuff my parents, relatives and friends bought and paid for. They live well. They get to keep playing church at a level that only a Sunday school could be happy to run at. They write theological pablum and really have no right to exist anymore or continue to get some kind of support...but they do. They are the theologically challenged and yet they "win." That is the issue that bothers me and it bothers me that it does.
________________________

I am with the LCG and I contributed to the building fund way back when. Yet somehow I am merely bemused by the fact that the Tkaches and their allies were able to strike it rich by a massive sell-off of church property.

I'm not sure why this is exactly. Maybe because I was never there and so the property has a shadowy reality. Maybe I think building up all this property was never such a good idea, as if it would be a monument thru the ages. Maybe its just liberating to walk away from the property and start fresh.

At any rate, if I were to ever see a magazine article where Joe Tkach was sitting by the pool of his multi-million dollar mansion (if he had one then) living the high life and saying "I sold a bunch of church property and now I'm rich rich rich!", I would merely get a chuckle out of that.

The mark of the beast is Chi xi stigma, the tattoo...

2007-04-01T15:06:00.000+12:00

The mark of the beast is Chi xi stigma, the tattoo [stigma] of Xx [Chi xi], from Strong's 5516
http://ulrikp.dk/strongsgreek/05516.html

In Indo-European language, one cannot have the number six without an "x" "ex" sound. Stigma does not make an x sound. The number 666 only begins to show up in Latin manuscripts in about the 10th century.

How better to deceive as the antichrist than to have "Christians" prove their loyalty by taking the mark of the cross, the recognized symbol of Christianity.

If Christ were killed with a Colt 45, would we emblazen it upon the walls of our churches and our persons?

LCG's and others were right to eschew the cross, and to continue to do so--for it will mark you for death.

Respectfully,
Anonymous

"The Nimrod thing brings back memories about "Euro...

2007-04-01T14:38:00.000+12:00

"The Nimrod thing brings back memories about "Europa on a bull" as pictured on the EU coins being the "Woman Riding the Beast" of revelation as per the various COG's. Of course anyone checking out that coinage would find it to be the "mother of Europe". But some of these people just cannot shake the coincidence as anything other than providence."

Get the book The Idea of Europe where the author said himself way before the church made anything of it, that the biblical symbolism and the symbols of Europe are not a coincidence.

Anon USA