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Check out Ed Mentell's son's website at: http://ho...

2008-03-11T23:57:00.000+13:00

Check out Ed Mentell's son's website at:

http://home.insightbb.com/~teachingyeshua/index.htm

Anon said :Can't you just let others do what they ...

2007-09-16T14:53:00.000+12:00

Anon said :

Can't you just let others do what they do - and go on with with your own life? After all, they are not harming you, do they? You are only showing that you have never gotten over your own bitterness - which is the only explanation I know for this never-ending tirades against things COG.

I am going on with my own life, thank you. But the religious cults DO continue to work their religious mischief upon the masses, with great harm to people. THEY JUST WON'T LET US HAPPY non-religious PEOPLE ALONE!

Consider me one who has now escaped their pernicious religious (and whacky) influence (the flu virus of religion).

And you?

Some of us actually seem to act as "Watchmen" to w...

2007-09-16T14:03:00.000+12:00

Some of us actually seem to act as "Watchmen" to warn the Churches of God about their sins.

Forget the sins of this world and the wrath of God. The sins of the churches of God are so much greater, particularly because they claim to be warning the world about the penalties of the same sins they are committing -- and some that the world wouldn't even think up themselves. The example stinks almost as bad as the credibility.

If judgment begins at the House of God, Armstrongists will be the first to get it.

Anonymous said . . .Can't you just let others do w...

2007-09-15T01:35:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said . . .

Can't you just let others do what they do - and go on with with your own life? After all, they are not harming you, do they?

You mean "are they" and no they are not - but they are harming other people in the same way we were harmed and we know about it. So, that kind of makes us responsible to let it slip about the cogs being a con-game.

You are only showing that you have never gotten over your own bitterness - which is the only explanation I know for this never-ending tirades against things COG.

See above for another explanation that makes more sense than yours does.

Intolerance mind you, will rob you peace of mind - even rot your bones.

Then why hasn't all of Christendom lost their peace of mind and their bones rotted? Especially the COGs, they are even intolerant of their own family and ex-friends who are not unfortunate enough to be a member of that particular COG.

The "fuss" is about people who DO find "relevance"...

2007-09-14T14:05:00.000+12:00

The "fuss" is about people who DO find "relevance" in sabbatarianism, but who do NOT practice its tenets, as spelled out in their holy books.

Granted you are judging COG members correctly [and I contest that] - what is that to you?

Can't you just let others do what they do - and go on with with your own life? After all, they are not harming you, do they? You are only showing that you have never gotten over your own bitterness - which is the only explanation I know for this never-ending tirades against things COG.

Intolerance mind you, will rob you peace of mind - even rot your bones.

I don't understand this fuss about the Sabbath and...

2007-09-12T23:47:00.000+12:00

I don't understand this fuss about the Sabbath and other COG teachings, from people who no longer find any relevance in it.

The "fuss" is about people who DO find "relevance" in sabbatarianism, but who do NOT practice its tenets, as spelled out in their holy books. They form that pick & choose, part-time law keeping crowd that likes to think they are holier than thou because they know the "true" god -- and you don't. And when you ask them why they are employing their servant-waiter on their sacred day of rest you get all kinds of very telling excuses.

The end result of all of this, which they will never admit, is that Every man does that which is right in his own eyes. Their religious philosophy shifts like the tides, while they proceed to tell us with a straight face that they are worshiping, the one, true, eternal, never changing, always consistent God. Uhuh. Sure they are. Just ask their waiter.

I found years ago that it is far better for ones mental health to just admit that we all do indeed do that which is right in our own eyes -- and all the time. For that is the only way a rational man or woman can truly live. It's the irrational Armstrongologists (and other assorted religious kooks) that cause most of the trouble in this world by refusing to acknowledge this fact.

I don't understand this fuss about the Sabbath and...

2007-09-12T16:21:00.000+12:00

I don't understand this fuss about the Sabbath and other COG teachings, from people who no longer find any relevance in it. Is this an ongoing crusade againt HWA, his teachings OR his "deceived" followers - or all of the above? Do you call this an attempt to help the "victims"?

I find mostly villifications, name-calling, accusations, insults - rather than helpful, redeeming comments.

I rest my case, as it is a waste of my valuable ti...

2007-09-12T12:42:00.000+12:00

I rest my case, as it is a waste of my valuable time to continually cast pearls before swines, who just trampled them under foot.

We've heard that song before, and many times from you Armstrongologists, when you run out of defenses for your hypocrisy. And you may like to think this is what you are doing, as taught by the Armstrongologists in their supreme self-righteousness. But you are not.

Your "pearls" are nothing more than the Herbster's plagiarized doctrines that he "borrowed" from diverse groups in order to develop his religious empire. In that sense, you are doing nothing more than casting dog dung at people, whom at least have the good sense of smell to reject the religious poop you are casting.

And you can justify employing your waiter all you want to on your sabbath day with this double-think that you preach about God's Law. But in the end you WILL stand convicted of your own sin by violating that Law, which you have willingly placed yourself under.

DouglasI rest my case, as it is a waste of my valu...

2007-09-12T08:53:00.000+12:00

Douglas

I rest my case, as it is a waste of my valuable time to continually cast pearls before swines, who just trampled them under foot.

Tom

Stinger>>I have been raising this issue since I le...

2007-09-12T08:38:00.000+12:00

Stinger>>I have been raising this issue since I left Armstrong's Worldweird Church over 10 years ago.<<

This is the milk of the word, which you are not even drinking. If you understood what is meant by, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath," you won't have condemned the guiltless.

Tom

Raising the steaksStinger, since the time of merel...

2007-09-12T02:00:00.000+12:00

Raising the steaks

Stinger, since the time of merely having cafeteria righteousness -- a practice which has grown in the last generation -- another dimension has been added: It's not just "they would be working anyway" any more.

United, Living and Restored have all declared that it is good and pleasant for people to eat out on the Sabbath. It brings people together. Furthermore, it pictures the millennium where the great unwashed will be serving the gods as gods but not God, hand and foot as slaves. Particularly the service gets really demanding as massive sacrifices are given on the altars at Jerusalem, world headquarters, the beginning of the International Date Line. The righteous may have their problems today, but they will be free to do as they please as their victims... er... humble servants work hard to give them pleasure on the Sabbath.

The big difference will be that they won't be paid and there won't be any tips.

Ezra and Nehemiah would have fits, but who are they to complain?

And people castigate the Painful Truth. Idolatry has become so fashionable among the devout these days. If they can't make it past the First Commandment, what makes you think they could keep the Fourth?

I reserve the right not to answer silly questions....

2007-09-12T01:51:00.000+12:00

I reserve the right not to answer silly questions.

Yes, of course. You say you don't answer questions because people don't post their names. And then when they do, you claim the clause "I will consider" answering the questions: Double talk and weasel words with no truth at all.

You err not knowing Scripture: Ephesians 4:26.

You use the techniques to tell lies given in the Orange Papers.

As Stinger has said, you have exposed your own hypocrisy as a modern day Pharisee.

If you are so for the positive and so dislike people exposing Herbert Armstrong for the charlatan and false prophet he was, then why don't you enlighten us as to what wonderful legacy he left?

Finally, here's a fair description of what we've seen of you thus far:

The Suspicious Point of View

2007-09-12T01:15:00.000+12:00

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However, I don't normally eat out at all, but if t...

2007-09-12T00:30:00.000+12:00

However, I don't normally eat out at all, but if the need arises, I will eat out on any day, except Atonement. Happy now?

I have been raising this issue since I left Armstrong's Worldweird Church over 10 years ago. According to the part-time, pick & choose "law" keepers, it's OK to employ ones waiter or waitress on God's "holy" Sabbath. Because, after all, that person would be working anyway. Right?

Such specious reasoning is quite common among this pick & choose crowd. And yet they want to come on here and challenge anybody who does not agree with their hypocritical doctrine. Like that Pharisee praying at the front of the temple, they suppose themselves to be servants of God, while the rest of us peons are not worthy to be in their presence.

Armstrong-ology: a theology that produces supreme self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

And every single time you employ your waiter on any given Saturday you illustrate this hypocrisy to all who are watching. Your own sacred writings proclaim that if you violate just one single principle of your law then you are guilty of violating ALL of it.

And, IMHO, you Armstrongologists are among some of the most guilt ridden people on this planet because of this. Which is why you point the long bony finger at everyone who disagrees with you - to assuage your guilt.

DB>>Do you eat out on the Sabbath and Holydays?I r...

2007-09-11T21:06:00.000+12:00

DB>>Do you eat out on the Sabbath and Holydays?<<

I reserve the right not to answer silly questions. However, I don't normally eat out at all, but if the need arises, I will eat out on any day, except Atonement. Happy now?

Douglas, you are a very troubled soul. For it is evident from the contents of your posts and your own admission, that you are often angry and incensed by anyone who has a kind word for HWA, or who believes that in spite of his faults, he was a servant of God.

Anger is very corrosive, it robs its victims of impartiality, objective and it undermines logic and reason. For example, if you believe that God calls people into fellowship with his son, Christ Jesus, then it is illogical to argue that he called you through the ministry of a false prophet. Unless you are prepared to argue that God deceives people?

Yet you continue to believe that you are a Christian, but HWA was charlatan. This stance is completely illogical. But your stance exactly illustrates how anger uproots reason and leaves its victims vulnerable to the wiles of the devil. You ought to remember the proverb: "He that is soon angry is like city left without defences." And Paul to the Colossians: "But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth"(Cols.3:8). Your posts are replete with all these. Can't you see how Satan has marched into your city, and has taken you captive?

If you can't see how troubled you are, and illogical your stance is, then, I rest my case.

Tom

>>A Former True BelieverAccording to the inspired ...

2007-09-11T19:07:00.000+12:00

>>A Former True Believer<<

According to the inspired text, a much more apt description is: "The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire"(2 Pet.2:22).

Very pitiful!

Tom

I have decided to go back to someone much wiser th...

2007-09-11T12:55:00.000+12:00

I have decided to go back to someone much wiser than myself and tap into the Orange Papers.

I have formatted the Propaganda and Debating
Techniques by A. Orange into a summarized web page called 'Lies'. This covers about all the tricks and techniques used by Armstrongists over the years.

Note the "Slippery Slope" under "The Either/Or Technique -- Bifurcation -- the Excluded Middle"
and "Argue from Adverse Consequences".

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DB>>Just how do you think you are going to get to ...

2007-09-11T05:46:00.000+12:00

DB>>Just how do you think you are going to get to the Place of Safety without your idol, Herbert Armstrong, to lead the way?<<

Pray tell, where is the place of safety?

DB>>Here's hoping [not really, stupid] that you happened to have picked THE one and only right splinter from the 1,000 spit-offs to lead you where Herbert Armstrong cannot go.<<

What were you saying about the ability to write sentences? However, unlike you I don't clutch at straws.

BD>>I don't make many predictions and am not a false prophet [although 80% to 95% of my prognostications do come true -- 100% if you count my election predictions],<<

There is a great deal of difference between a prediction and a prophecy, you might be surprised to learn. But you are not unique in getting some prediction right, lots of other people make successful predictions.

DB>>but I would say this: I think you are going to look like an utter fool one of these days. Maybe posthumously.<<

You "think?" Why aren't you absolutely sure? Well, I am absolutely certain that you are wrong!

BTW, the rest your post lacks substance, so there is no point in me replying to it. Plus I don't intend to engage in a futile slanging match with you or anyone else. If you want to conduct a sensible discussion about the issues that led up to the break up of WCG, and the current folly that permeates cog-land, then, I am more than happy to do so.

But I don't see how constantly abusing HWA is going to help us in our walk with God, if that is indeed what we desire to do.

Tom

If you had the courage to add your name to your co...

2007-09-11T05:20:00.000+12:00

If you had the courage to add your name to your comments, I might reply to them.

You lie.

TM>>Tragically, the PT's contributors and misguide...

2007-09-11T04:54:00.000+12:00

TM>>Tragically, the PT's contributors and misguided supporters don't understand the terror of Lord.<<

>>A strange statement from someone engaged in idolatry.<<

If you had the courage to add your name to your comments, I might reply to them.

Tom

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Very good VistaAdmin!

2007-09-10T15:25:00.000+12:00

Very good VistaAdmin!