Comments on Ambassador Watch: And now a message from Yahweh

That's nice Janice. I'm glad you have found a cong...

2008-03-05T06:21:00.000+13:00

That's nice Janice. I'm glad you have found a congregation that you are happy with, and that works for you. Thanks for the clarification!

For Weinlandwatch:No, we have never felt pressure ...

2008-03-05T03:33:00.000+13:00

For Weinlandwatch:

No, we have never felt pressure to conform--but, then, we are both quiet and tend to live and let live. We have noticed that, even in this ultra conservative area, so do others. We have found, in general, that one is left alone (when one chooses to be left alone) to worship, serve, and praise God in peace-and also to question. For me, it has been the complete flip side of the Armstrong movement--of which I was forced to be a member for 40 years (from age 6 to 46-I am now 53)--I call those the "wilderness" years.
So, in a nutshell, while we do not "shout from the rooftops" our disagreements, we are not afraid to discuss them with other Catholics--no worry about being "turned in" to the "authorities", and we have (again) never been turned away or refused communion. If we lived in a small village in, say, Italy or Ireland, it might be a different story...Janice

Anonymous said... "By then they have learned that ...

2008-03-03T16:03:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said...
"By then they have learned that abuse is right behavior for parents and then it's time for a new generation . ."

Are you accusing me of absuing my children, Corky? I want to get this straight.

Nope.

"By then they have learned that abuse is right beh...

2008-03-03T14:17:00.000+13:00

"By then they have learned that abuse is right behavior for parents and then it's time for a new generation . ."

Are you accusing me of absuing my children, Corky? I want to get this straight.

Paul

If dogs, elephants, dolphins and whales can be tra...

2008-03-03T11:32:00.000+13:00

If dogs, elephants, dolphins and whales can be trained to do absolutely amazing things without BEATING them, then why cant humans be trained without beating?

Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA USA

Whipping, beating or "spanking" your kids teaches ...

2008-03-03T10:46:00.000+13:00

Whipping, beating or "spanking" your kids teaches them one thing; that you are bigger than they are and you can beat 'em up. Another thing it teaches them is to fear you, not respect, FEAR.

Does it "make them mind you"? Of course, while you are watching, but it won't keep them from doing something else that gets 'em beat up.

It's called testing the limits. They are forced to do that in order to find out just what's going to cause them to get beat up and what's not, because they don't know and they do need to know.

The thing is, if it wasn't for the beatings, they wouldn't be forced to test the limits.

Another thing kids learn from beatings is to beat up on someone when you are mad at 'em.

The one thing that kids don't learn from beatings, whippings and spankings is "right behavior" because it doesn't teach that, it only teaches your revenge for something they've done wrong that they didn't know was wrong. They only know that it was a wrong thing to do because it got them beat up, they still won't know why it was wrong.

By the time they are old enough to figure all that out, it's too late to teach them "right behavior". By then they have learned that abuse is right behavior for parents and then it's time for a new generation . . .

"I was spanked maybe 10 times in my life. And all ...

2008-03-03T07:42:00.000+13:00

"I was spanked maybe 10 times in my life. And all but one case, I really had it coming. Whether it damaged me for life? I don't know."

I think I was spanked maybe 15 times in my whole life. But you and I are probably serial killers with amnesia, or we sexually and physically brutalize our families but won't admit to it on this blog. Spanking ~had~ to have had some lasting negative effect on us because spanking always produces emotional and physical damage. Always. Maybe we could pitch in and receive counseling at the same time to save some money. What do you say?

Paul

Congratulations, Dennis.Hope everything continues ...

2008-03-03T07:26:00.000+13:00

Congratulations, Dennis.

Hope everything continues to go well for all.

BB

How exciting Dennis! Im sure you are very proud! P...

2008-03-03T06:04:00.000+13:00

How exciting Dennis! Im sure you are very proud!

PS-Dont forget the official dogma and legend...Vitamin K is at its highest level on the Eighth Day ;-)

Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA USA

Congratulations Dennis!

2008-03-03T05:04:00.000+13:00

Congratulations Dennis!

All our children were spanked in a responsible way...

2008-03-02T22:35:00.000+13:00

All our children were spanked in a responsible way - except the last, unspanked, who became the 'black sheep' The others are 'upstanding' and well-adjusted.

Kscribe, I catch your drift. Having grown up in t...

2008-03-02T20:30:00.000+13:00

Kscribe, I catch your drift. Having grown up in the WCG during the "spanking years" I was just glad my parents never bought into that brutal brand of "rearing" that I saw some of my friends get.

One man, who was with Flurry when he started up the PCG (and died shortly later of a strange sinus condition), spanked his kids so hard they had leather butts.

Those kids grew with all kinds of problems. He brutalized those kids. I'd say their name but for the sake of the kids.

As to whether it harmed my self-esteem or whatever, I think the whole WCG mentality of the "heart that is wicked above all things" did more to ruin my self esteem than any spanking I got.

A few thoughts...I fail to see much love in the "s...

2008-03-02T20:26:00.000+13:00

A few thoughts...

I fail to see much love in the "spare the rod..." approach to childrearing. Sounds more like "childforcing" to me.

And it's not uncommon for the parents to look at their hitting their child as a microcosm of a cosmic "good vs. evil" battle, thus resulting in a twisted justification of abuse.
The deaths and harms from such an approach best not be justified.

What's a parent to do when commanded by God to "spare not the rod" when correcting his children, and it doesn't seem to be working?
Why, hit HARDER and MORE....it's GOD'S WAY, after all!
I saw this lots in Herbie's cult of garbage.
How narrow-minded overly simplistic can one get? VERY, when learning child rearing(or whatever else) from a scumbag like Armstrong.

It's ignorant to think that such an approach is God's way. It often breeds disrespect, hate, hiding, resentment, loss of healthy self esteem, harm on different levels, and kicking the one lower on the totem pole. Oh, and the occasional mass murderer.

Perhaps Tom looks forward to an imaginary time in which he thinks he'll be a "God as God is God" and he'll be mass-murdering those who reject his brand of ass-hole-ism.
Of course, it will only be because of love, and absolute necessity, but he'll really HATE to have to do it....
kind of like Homer Simpson distraught and sobbing at have to eat his pet lobster Pinchy, after it died from the heat in the hot tub.

Oh, but I digress.
Just don't SPARE THAT ROD ON YOUR KIDS!
Just think about that imaginary time in the past which was so much better(and 99 44/100% Satan-free!) because of liberal use of beating-rods.

So let's forget all that high-falootin' psychology stuff.

It's nice to hit children, knowing God is smiling upon me for doing so. And heck, it gives me practice at being a "God as God is God", like I'm gonna be in the World Tomorrey.

Anonymous Anonymous said...Kscribe,Can you give u...

2008-03-02T18:54:00.000+13:00

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kscribe,
Can you give us a hint?

MERRYDEATH

Congratulations Dennis Diehl!!!!Of course, I have ...

2008-03-02T18:52:00.000+13:00

Congratulations Dennis Diehl!!!!

Of course, I have to ask - upon birth, did your grandson pop out and proclaim, "Greetings friends around the world"?

Richard

Kscribe,Can you give us a hint?My all time favorit...

2008-03-02T18:44:00.000+13:00

Kscribe,

Can you give us a hint?

My all time favorite was the WCG minister who I remember told the Baltimore WCG congregation from the pulpit that the way to handle a rebellious wife was to rape her!

Richard

Bamboo_bends said...>>I think with boys, there may...

2008-03-02T18:12:00.000+13:00

Bamboo_bends said...

>>I think with boys, there may be times when it is necessary. <<

No, the boys respond best to what I wrote in a previous post.

As far as girls go...well just don't ask the so called Dr. Merrydeath! He would be arrested and convicted of child molestation in this day and age! You know, bare bottom spankings on a girl..........

Now, where did I lay that article were the "Rod" bragged about his daughter and wife getting spanked?

I must admit that it is prime for a porno film "script" but then again I must put the question to that wcg minister that claimed he did just that! Anyone remember his name??????

I thought it was necessary until I had a daughter....

2008-03-02T15:05:00.000+13:00

I thought it was necessary until I had a daughter. My wife and I differed on whether spanking was appropriate or not. After seeing that my daughter responded better to my wife's positive reinforcement I abandoned spanking altogether.

I think with boys, there may be times when it is necessary. They tend to push the boundaries a bit more than girls do. Girls view boundaries as proof mommy and daddy love them, boys view them as ground to be tested as in power structure.

I was spanked maybe 10 times in my life. And all but one case, I really had it coming. Whether it damaged me for life? I don't know.

Just before this happened to Jebus, a loud voice w...

2008-03-02T14:29:00.000+13:00

Just before this happened to Jebus, a loud voice was heard all across the valley, "Don't Taze me Dude!" And then it hit.

Paul said:Nothing ruins a beautiful landscape like...

2008-03-02T14:27:00.000+13:00

Paul said:

Nothing ruins a beautiful landscape like a Giant Jebus.

Maybe we're seeing the first time A Deity tazers the second member of his eternal oneness?

Congratulations Dennis Diehl! May your new grandba...

2008-03-02T14:23:00.000+13:00

Congratulations Dennis Diehl! May your new grandbaby be as free from religious tyranny as you are!

A question for Janice, should she decide to return:

Do you and/or your husband get any pressure from the members of your new conservative congregation to "conform"? Or do you feel some underlying tension that you wouldn't, if you were conservative yourselves?

I'm just curious.

woo hoo...the first "Diehl" grandboy just arrived ...

2008-03-02T14:15:00.000+13:00

woo hoo...the first "Diehl" grandboy just arrived on the planet! Pray he's not like his grandpa! (That would be me)

:)

As for real child abuse, consider four year olds n...

2008-03-02T13:52:00.000+13:00

As for real child abuse, consider four year olds napping on a blanket while the minister rants about the horrors of the death, doom, destruction, devastation of the Great Tribulation: Adults who grew up during that era still have nightmares today and some are still in counseling.

Also up there is week after week after week of being subjected to ministers talking about homosexuality and how they were abused as teenagers by their alcoholic parents -- great for those told to honor their father and mother as the first commandment with promise: The promise being that when they grow up, they will have quite a warped distorted perception of the world as being victims of the Stockholm Syndrome.

"...I do not assume Heb. 12:6 represents God simpl...

2008-03-02T13:49:00.000+13:00

"...I do not assume Heb. 12:6 represents God simply because its author, backed by hundreds of years of canonical tradition, have assured us that it does."

Then how in the hell do you know if any of the Bible is true? If this part of the Bible is not true, then what about the fantastical account of a corpse coming back to life after lying in a tomb for three days?

Paul

"Trust no one, the truth is out there"The word "re...

2008-03-02T13:44:00.000+13:00

"Trust no one, the truth is out there"

The word "respect" is in 34 verses of Scripture in the Bible.

The word "kiss" is in the Bible any number of times, the most significant mention seems to be in Luke 22:48.

The word "college" is in the Bible twice.

John 21:3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing.

There are a couple of other words not found in Scripture:

Millennium, cat, cats, homosexual, sanity, narcissist, police, concert, Christmas, China, triangle, hospital, trout, bass, planet, retribution, music, significant, decade, calendar.

Just have to love that last one....