Comments on Ambassador Watch: Rehab time

2008-03-11T12:51:00.000+13:00

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Looks like I was wrong: there was even less genui...

2008-03-11T08:28:00.000+13:00

Looks like I was wrong: there was even less genuine news content in the “report” of Luther’s rehabilitation than I’d thought. It seems the whole thing is bogus, even the claim that Benedict and his former students plan to talk about Luther.

http://www.catholicnews.com/
data/stories/cns/0801347.htm

Man, the Armstrongist "prophecy-watchers" must hav...

2008-03-09T15:31:00.000+13:00

Man, the Armstrongist "prophecy-watchers" must have died of Pseudo-eschatological Orgasmic Mania when they say this story about the Pope supposedly preparing to "rehabilitate" Martin Luther. They and others will have to be disappointed when the predicted rehabilitation never happens.

You see, as is typical of virtually any "news" story in the British press that involves the Catholic Church and the Pope, Richard Owen's story is 95% bullshit with a small bit of genuine news thrown in so people can think Owen is a journalist or something. So the Pope and his former theology students will meet privately (as they do every year) to chat about Martin Luther later this year -- that hardly amounts to an event of cosmological proportions as "rehabilitating" a heresiarch.

http://www.cwnews.com/news/
viewstory.cfm?recnum=57062

http://amywelborn.wordpress.com/
2008/03/06/do-you-remember-rule-27/

(Carriage returns inserted in the URLS after "news/" and ".com/" to make sure the URLS don't get cut off.)

If you'd like to get a feel for the thought of this Pope regarding Luther, here's an old Communio interview (carriage return inserted after "PDF/"):

http://communio-icr.com/articles/PDF/
ratzinger11-3.pdf

We will again, now, address the age old question, ...

2008-03-09T12:38:00.000+13:00

We will again, now, address the age old question, but this time with a twist:

How many prophecies does it take to make a true prophet?

Say you have a prophet who writes prophecies and signs them "In Jesus' Name". Suppose he makes 595 such prophecies in his lifetime. Now let's just say that 594 prophecies come true. One of them doesn't and falls utterly on its face.

So how many false prophecies does it take to make a false prophet? The answer:

One.

Just one of the 595 prophecies in our little hypothetical scenario failed. That means that the man was a false prophet.

But with Herbert Armstrong, it's more than just one false prophecy: It's over one hundred big ones and a lot of small ones. Remember that it takes only one to make him a false prophet and he signed his irredeemably irresponsible lies "In Jesus' Name" as if Christ had anything to giving him some sort of revelation, which, obviously [even if you are an atheist can see] he did not.

Nope, Franz Joseph Strauss didn't become the Beast of Revelation. No sir, Hitler is not hiding in South America to be brought back to lead the EEC as the head of a thoroughly reunited Germany where the trains run on time again and inflation has totally stopped. The World Tomorrow being beamed into Jerusalem by radio? No again. Herbert Armstrong with us in a place of safety? Sorry, wrong again. The droughts, floods and crop failures of the 1960s? Still a little late--after his death. Not a tree in the Pacific Northwest standing by 1974? The tree farms are still being "harvested" on that 99 year lease from the Federal Government by a profit making private corporation or two. And on and on it goes.

So once again, how many prophecies does it take to make a true prophet? The answer:

All of them.

Why would anyone be so stupid as to not look up As...

2008-03-09T09:22:00.000+13:00

Why would anyone be so stupid as to not look up Assyrians in the encyclopedia instead of taking HWA's word that it refers to Germans?

I know I didn't, I don't know why I didn't - just stupid, I guess.

What you will find, Tom, is that Assyrians still exist and they are still Semitic people and none had migrated to Europe and Gemany until after the world had already fought a war with Germany.

There are no prophecies concerning Assyria in the Bible that have the slightest chance of ever coming to pass.

Down goes HWA and down goes biblical prophecy concerning Assyria in one fell swoop!

The reunification of Germany is a fulfilled prophe...

2008-03-09T04:27:00.000+13:00

The reunification of Germany is a fulfilled prophecy, and the prophecy that most people in the church were not "getting it," that is, they were not converted.

Now we have it: Forget that conversion is all about the Holy Spirit of God with the evidence lying in the fruit of Love, Joy, Peace, Goodness, Gentleness, Meekness, Temperance, Faith. Just forget that. Those things are not an indication of conversion.

What conversion is: Accepting Herbert Armstrong's nutty ideas about British Israelism, 1975 in Prophecy, the EEU and finally, the reunification of Germany. That is what conversion is. It isn't about anything else. Just that. And if anyone doesn't accept that, they are not, by definition, converted.

Well, now. Germany is reunited. But not during Herbert Armstrong's lifetime. The Berlin Wall came down after his death -- and his death ended his 1972 proclamation at the Feast "Follow me, I will lead you into the Kingdom!". And also into the Place of Safety.

Just how well is the reunification of Germany working? Just a couple of things off the top: Instead of being the strong leadership of the EEU, Germany is having grave problems beginning with a declining population. Politicians in Germany are insisting that the men of the country "do their duty" and have children. This is not very popular in Germany. German men have always seemed to like order and neatness along with trash can sized beer mugs for their precious German beer. Children are messy. Americans I have known in Germany with children have told me that the Germans don't like children because they are afraid they might be disruptive and noisy.

While there seems to be an underground swell of NeoNazis in the country, it's still illegal to be one, so the wet dream of Herbert Armstrong for Nazis of Germany to come sweeping into Britain to take captives to kill and enslave becomes much more difficult.

Then there's the matter of just how well the reunification has gone. It has been an economic disaster, with many Germans wanting their land back in what was East Germany. The East has been depressed and recovery and full integration of the country seems to be lacking.

There are a couple of other problems: A survey in the Seventies revealed that 75% of Americans could trace their heritage back to Germany. This means that over half the population of the United States is Assyrian if we were to believe Herbert Armstrong's allegations that Germany is Assyrian. This presents us with the same problems that questions of how to ascertain who is Manasseh and who is Ephraim in the United States, when supposedly the tribe of Manasseh came totally out of Ephraim and whole families in both countries have the same common heritage. Which is which? And which are of Manasseh and who are Assyrians, do pray tell?

So we come full circle in this nuttiness. People who don't get that the prophecies of Herbert Armstrong [and NOT the Bible] concerning the reunification of Germany have been sort of, maybe, fulfilled, from a certain point of view, are unconverted.

And the ones who believe are just plain crazy.

Steve said... >>>Tom Mahon said... "What do ...

2008-03-08T21:45:00.000+13:00

Steve said...

>>>Tom Mahon said...
"What do these have to do with the prophecy of the EU?"<<<

Steve>>>Everything! Herbie has been wrong so far.<<<

He was wrong about prophecies where he was specific about people and dates, but this should not blind us to the things he got right,

Steve>>>What part of what he said is true, or come to pass?<<<

The reunification of Germany is a fulfilled prophecy, and the prophecy that most people in the church were not "getting it," that is, they were not converted.

If one dares to go back and read the seminal booklet, The Middle East in Prophecy, combined with lesson 10 and 11 of the old correspondence, one cannot fail to see the history of the world, from Babylon to the present day outlined in amazing detail!

Rehab? Wasn't she one of the harlots in the Old T...

2008-03-08T20:20:00.000+13:00

Rehab? Wasn't she one of the harlots in the Old Testament?

What is very disturbing is that Herbert Armstrong ...

2008-03-08T20:00:00.000+13:00

What is very disturbing is that Herbert Armstrong had the arrogant audacity to sign his false prophecies, "In Jesus' Name".

Bill Hughes wrote in The Prophecy Game about score...

2008-03-08T18:36:00.000+13:00

Bill Hughes wrote in The Prophecy Game about scores of WCG prophetic blunders:

"Will Britain ever be admitted into the Common Market? Probably not!" (Raymond McNair, Feb. 1970, p. 27.)

The WCG's prophetic blunders ought to generate certain questions in a perceptive mind: How could Herbert Armstrong and his ministers be God's only true ministers and yet be incorrect in their predictions more often than Jeane Dixon or other famous psychics? Why has almost everything that Herbert and his church have predicted since 1934 been way off base?
Because Herb was playing
The Prophecy Game

Except it wasn't a game.

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Hello! Hello!? Is anyone there!Herbert Armstrong l...

2008-03-08T16:58:00.000+13:00

Hello! Hello!? Is anyone there!

Herbert Armstrong loudly and confidently proclaimed for many many years that Britain WOULD NEVER BE PART OF THE EEU!!!

Wrong again.

Yes, people want the mention of 1975 in Prophecy to just disappear because they can't explain it away. Herbert Armstrong was a false prophet, but 1975 in Prophecy wasn't the only defining moment in his idolatrous blasphemous career. That Britain would never be a part of the European Community was just another of his errors which people don't even seem to notice.

There just isn't anything to make it go away or make it any better.

>>MY COMMENT: Oh, and don't forget. Herbie said, "...

2008-03-08T14:18:00.000+13:00

>>MY COMMENT: Oh, and don't forget. Herbie said, "Watch Tito".

Tom Mahon said...
"What do these have to do with the prophecy of the EU?"

MY COMMENT: Everything! Herbie has been wrong so far. What part of what he said is true, or come to pass?<<

Over fifty years of radio, tv and publishing, HWA said and wrote a lot of things. As his broadcasting surrogate, he even convinced GTA to read European politics into the major prophets as a slam-dunk no brainer Revelation, when GTA wanted to downplay his father's British-Israelism.

Watch Tito. Ok, we're watching.

HWA supposedly had the most perfect, exquisite explanations for everything in life.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. But Tom won't dare admit his beloved modern day royal Apostle and prophet Elijiah, one H.W. Armstrong, was actually in fact nothing really special.

Herbie's slicked back Brylcreem hair, expensive suits, and royal surroundings all became part of his righteous religious act, despite his very humble, working class origins in Des Moines. Reduced to menial dead end jobs during the Depression era, religion became Armstrong's executive class meal ticket with a future.

HWA was chock full of carefully crafted, highly repetitive, horse and buggy age bluster. He combined that with a lot of authoritative sounding religious hot air, drawn from his arrogant explanations of the Bible. Herb's blustery broadcasts and literary explanations were not original to his own personal research and scholarship, but borrowed and plagiarized from other unacknowledged sources.

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The topic was to rehab MartinAnd to a good start o...

2008-03-08T12:47:00.000+13:00

The topic was to rehab Martin
And to a good start off we got
But then it went to Ted departin
And did or did he not?

Then we back on Martin got
But then to HWA departin
And that he surely saw it all
In his prophetic kind of fartin

Then back to Ted, then on to Hitler
Hey, where'd dear Martin go?
For Pope to rehab such a loon
Proves it all to be a show.

Stickin to the topic here
Is just not what we do
For Gavin's humor to start it all
Becomes the topic too

Anyone can say that this or that will happen
And get it right or not
There's money in the fear of this
It's called prophetic slop

So back to Martin Luther
Is such a bloak redeemable?
Or is the Pope just playin games
And expecting the unseemable?

Ok ok, Seems Ted was much like Martin
He saw what didn't fly
Let's get it over, Rehab both
And sanctify the lie.

Seemly

Anonymous said... "Hitler didn't pan out as HWA pr...

2008-03-08T11:57:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said...
"Hitler didn't pan out as HWA prophesied. Not to worry. HWA just changed the rules of his game and moved the end zone forward. To keep his Bible fortune teller act going, Armstrong then changed his future European Union prophetic sales package to 1972 and Franz Josef Srauss, to keep more dogmatic, tabloid, prophetic bombast flooding the airways after WWII.

MY COMMENT: Oh, and don't forget. Herbie said, "Watch Tito".

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Tom Mahon said...
"What do these have to do with the prophecy of the EU?"

MY COMMENT: Everything! Herbie has been wrong so far. What part of what he said is true, or come to pass?

>>What do these have to do with the prophecy of th...

2008-03-08T08:58:00.000+13:00

>>What do these have to do with the prophecy of the EU?<<

Armstrong wasn't the first to invent and overlay a specific European/Catholic explanation of heretofore hidden knowledge based loosely on on Daniel and Revelation, and won't be the last. He made specific predictions of future political and military events in Europe central to, if not the shocking centerfold, of his major Christian message.

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Replaying the sermons of dead evangelists is Necro...

2008-03-08T07:55:00.000+13:00

Replaying the sermons of dead evangelists is Necroevangelism.

It's too good to give up or trust to the next generation as we have all seen in WCG.

>>>HWA's false prophecy about Mussolini:HWA's fals...

2008-03-08T07:18:00.000+13:00

>>>HWA's false prophecy about Mussolini:

HWA's false prophecy about Hitler:<<<

What do these have to do with the prophecy of the EU?

"For me, it is interesting that HWA foretold these...

2008-03-08T06:55:00.000+13:00

"For me, it is interesting that HWA foretold these events back in the 1950s. By the grace of God, HWA was years ahead of his time."

Tom,

Armstrong is proven flat wrong - a discredited false prophet on Hitler and Mussolini. HWA didn't have a spiritual "inside" or x-ray vision, if you will, on future events. He made only authoritative assertions based on his own superficial reading of the text, discredited in his own time.

HWA's false prophecy about Mussolini:

"Undoubtedly, then, the "Beast" who will capture half the city of Jerusalem, fighting at Armageddon against Christ at his Second Coming, is MUSSOLINI, with ten European Dictators, and their armies! It is coming in This Generation!"
Herbert W. Armstrong, The Plain Truth, January 1939, p. 4

HWA's false prophecy about Hitler:

"And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against - against whom? Not Britain and America! Not Israel - against Him that sat on the horse and His army (Rev. 19:19.) It is Christ and the Angels that Hitler will fight."
Herbert W. Armstrong, The Plain Truth, March/April 1943, p. 6

In love with himself, HWA threw as much tabloid prophetic bunk up on the wall as possible in the hope that some would stick ahead of it's time; a two-bit, gypsy, Svengali, Bible fortune-teller.

Hitler didn't pan out as HWA prophesied. Not to worry. HWA just changed the rules of his game and moved the end zone forward. To keep his Bible fortune teller act going, Armstrong then changed his future European Union prophetic sales package to 1972 and Franz Josef Srauss, to keep more dogmatic, tabloid, prophetic bombast flooding the airways after WWII.

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Ha! You want proof that GTA is still alive? Just c...

2008-03-08T06:36:00.000+13:00

Ha! You want proof that GTA is still alive? Just check out the ICG! They keep GTA alive 24/7, or at least his memory. Virtual Garner Ted.

Paulwww.garnertedarmstrong.ws/gtanews.shtml

Yes, it is indeed true...GARNER TED ARMSTRONG IS A...

2008-03-08T06:11:00.000+13:00

Yes, it is indeed true...

GARNER TED ARMSTRONG IS ALIVE!

Ala, Elvis Presley, there has been a giant conspiracy and coverup to conceal this fact from the public, with the faking of his death in 2003. It is the ultimate story of disinformation and diabolical deception.

The Pope will, "very soon brethren" announce a "resurection" of GTA, and use this shocking event to bring the COG universe into the diabolical Universal Church's fold!

There have been recent unverified reports of GTA sightings...A Pasadena resident stated "I saw him eating a glazed donut in front of Rancho Market on Green Street, just across the road from the old church headquarters".

A former Las Vegas WCG elder has proclaimed, "I often see him playing Keno, while wearing dark glasses, and a fake beard, down at the "Glitter Gulch" mens club".

Reminiscent of the 1960s,"Paul McCartney is Dead" rumor, Some COG teens, played a Ron Weinland sermon tape backwards and an eeery voice appears to say, "Ted is not Dead".

There it is...EXCLUSIVE REPORTING AVAILABLE ONLY TO THOSE HERE AT AMBASSADOR WATCH!

Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA USA

Perhaps the Lutherans can make a counter offer to ...

2008-03-08T05:28:00.000+13:00

Perhaps the Lutherans can make a counter offer to rehabilitate the Papacy and all associated ignorance inflicted upon humanity in the name of Catholicism. Then we can expland the concept to include all controling religious institutions.

Anonymous said... Garner Ted Lives!Mu-hahahahahaha...

2008-03-08T04:29:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said...
Garner Ted Lives!

Mu-hahahahahahahaha-ha

Garner Ted Lives!Paul

2008-03-08T04:09:00.000+13:00

Garner Ted Lives!

Paul

The European Union is a far cry from what HWA pred...

2008-03-08T04:08:00.000+13:00

The European Union is a far cry from what HWA predicted, Tom. HWA, following the old Millerite and Christadelphian predictions, dating back to the 1840s, was just as wrong as they were.

Only a few years ago, it seems, it was said that Britain would in no way join the EU - surprise! HWA (and the Christadelphians) was wrong again!

And, what was that about "10" nations?

We don't even want to get into the Amero dollar and NAFTA predictions and the "New World Order".

Those legs of iron in ole Neb's dream of the image was not Rome, you may be surprised to learn, but was the northern and southern division of Alexander's empire. Do try to keep up, Tom.

The Daily Mail said:>>>The Pope is planning to reh...

2008-03-08T03:12:00.000+13:00

The Daily Mail said:

>>>The Pope is planning to rehabilitate Martin Luther - whose actions instigated the Protestant Reformation – by arguing that he did not intend to split Christianity but only to purge the Church of corrupt practices.<<<

There may be two reasons for this. One, the Pope being German may be willing to rewrite history so that modern Catholics might forgive Luther; or two, he may genuinely believe that Luther's intentions were to reform the church, rather than divide it.

Well, amongst Germans he may succeed in persuading them that Luther was just trying to introduce his own STP, which was then rejected, but has since been gradually adopted by most of Christendom. However, Anglicans and Evangelicals will be vehemently opposed to any revision of history.

For me, it is interesting that HWA foretold these events back in the 1950s. By the grace of God, HWA was years ahead of his time.

Only this week, there was an acrimonious debate in the British Parliament over the Lisbon treaty, because the government has refused to keep its promised to hold a referendum, before adopting the treaty.

Apparently, the treaty proposes further integration amongst EC member states. It calls for a United States of Europe, with a president, foreign minister and a common defence policy, amongst other things.

Back in the 1950s HWA was writing about these developments. Now they are being fulfilled before our very eyes. But I suspect that his critics will default to the 1975 failed prophecy, to support their denial of the truth.