Comments on Ambassador Watch: Gerry's tantrum II

Due to persistent false rumors that I, David Ben-A...

2008-12-12T16:42:00.000+13:00

Due to persistent false rumors that I, David Ben-Ariel, was involved in a plot to blow up the mosques in Jerusalem, even by lying religious leaders like Gerald Flurry of the Philadelphia Church of God (not just enemies of the plain truth of the Bible), I present here the State Department letter from former American Consul General in Jerusalem, Edward G. Abington, Jr. to Ohio Representative Marcy Kaptur. (Jr.'s hostility to the Temple Mount Faithful is explained in Why Edward Abington, Jr. Must Be Investigated! and his dubious character and conflict of interests in Something smells bad).

Edward Abington, Jr.'s State Department letter

NOTE WELL that Gerald Flurry the Raging Runt seems...

2008-12-11T15:03:00.000+13:00

NOTE WELL that Gerald Flurry the Raging Runt seems to be saying that anyone who wants to build a Third Temple for God in Jerusalem is a "terrorist" with "bizarre and even radical views." Contrast this with the Bible, where those who wanted to build (David & Solomon), or rebuild (Zerubbabel), a temple for God in Jerusalem were the good guys. In the Apocrypha, Judas Maccabeus was a great hero for getting rid of the pagans and rededicating the Temple. The spirits that Gerald got from the bottles, or the spirits that possessed Gerald while he was on the bottle, are not the same as the Holy Spirit.

Just imagine if That Runt and his Branch Flurridians had been around in Old Testament times when the Jews who had returned from the 70 year Babylonian captivity were trying to rebuild the Temple. Little Gerald would have been right in there with Sanballat (mentioned in Nehemiah), trying to discourage them, and telling everyone that the builders had "bizarre and even radical views." That dishonest little scumbag would have been listed in the Bible right there with Sanballat. As it is, however, Gerald is mentioned only in general Bible prophecy, such as when Jesus warned that there would be many of his false type.

Gerald might have even tried to offer to "help" at first, as did the enemies of Judah (mentioned in Ezra). Zerubbabel would have had to explain to Gerald, as he did to the other enemies of God, "You have no part with us in building a temple to our God" (Ezra 4:3).

Quick, someone send Flurries letters from Headquar...

2008-12-11T04:51:00.000+13:00

Quick, someone send Flurries letters from Headquarters to Fox News. I think I may have copies.......

Oh Joy! The alcoholic Flurry has his own version o...

2008-12-10T22:50:00.000+13:00

Oh Joy! The alcoholic Flurry has his own version of the The Young Ambassadors! Has Flurry copied everything Armstrong?

The Young Ambassadors makes me want to puke!

Richard

Oh boy -- as predicted, a fourth and "Final Advert...

2008-12-10T19:42:00.000+13:00

Oh boy -- as predicted, a fourth and "Final Advertisement" in the OKC papers! And this one's a two-page spread!

Link to the PCG text

So I'm invited to tour the campus in Edmond, attend a concert -- but not attend a worship service? Hmmmmm.

Some good points have been made, especially by Ric...

2008-12-10T19:22:00.000+13:00

Some good points have been made, especially by Richard noting how Flurry didn't like dirt from so many years dug up on him and then turned right around and threw some dirt about me from years ago. And by "anonymous" about how the good guys in the Bible were for and not against the construction of the Temple. (And Gavin, for the record, I never post anonymously).

This "little known blogger" has published a few "ads" of my own all over the Internet world in response to Flurry's wacko ad. Please feel free to widely disseminate them to the "largest possible audience." :-)

Gerald Flurry's Outrageous Attack Against David Ben-Ariel

Is David Ben-Ariel A Terrorist?

The Temple Mount Faithful is not a terrorist organization!

Is Gerald Flurry a False Prophet?

Before I started coming right out and calling AC "...

2008-12-10T15:48:00.000+13:00

Before I started coming right out and calling AC "Embarrassing College", when someone asked me where I went to school, I'd usually slur the name as I pronounced it, so they wouldn't ask any more questions.

I can still hear one person's incredulous response in the ears of my mind: "Bastard College?????? Where in hell is that????"

That 99.9% thing.In my experience I can't really r...

2008-12-10T07:29:00.000+13:00

That 99.9% thing.

In my experience I can't really recall anyone outside of the COG's that even heard of the organization. One or two may have heard of herbie, and a few more came across a plain truth at the grocery store or dentist office.

When trying to explain the WCG to people that were curious enough to ask about my 'religion' I almost always got, "So is that a cult or something?'

I watched the videos again. They appear fair and b...

2008-12-10T06:27:00.000+13:00

I watched the videos again. They appear fair and balanced to me. They made a note to say that the PCG is not stockpiling weapons. Fox also gave them the "last word" after each segment highlighting things that they asked to say.
The thing the Flurry's don't seem to understand is that they were portrayed as a lunatic fringe church because they act like a lunatic fringe church.
If Gerry wasn't paranoid before this, he sure is acting that way now with his tantrums.

«in order to clear the way for a third Jewish temp...

2008-12-09T19:53:00.000+13:00

«in order to clear the way for a third Jewish temple to be built.»

If one were to measure the perimeter of the temple mount as it stands today, it does not «square» with the measurements of Solomon's nor Herod's. What we actually see is the remains of the third temple as begun by Simon Bar Kohba, and in whose insurgance against Rome in the second century CE added to the fire of Roman hatred for anything Jewish in the time of Hadrian.

Can we be sure it's the remains of Simon Bar-Cochba's abortive attempt to rebuild the Temple and not Julian the Apostate's abortive attempt?

Also, since Herod the Great built the third Temple (Josephus says he completely disassembled Zerubbabel's Temple and rebuilt it, using the same stones but greatly augmenting and expanding it), any subsequent Jewish Temple there would be the fourth Temple.

"And again, the PCG is not God's church at all. It...

2008-12-09T15:33:00.000+13:00

"And again, the PCG is not God's church at all. It is a sneaky impostor designed by Satan to make the truth look bad."

Hey Hey!!! I did NOT design PCG. Never in my career have I ever been called upon by the Council of the gods to design a church to make the truth look bad! Religious people do that all on their own. I get tired of getting blamed for everything!

Anonymous said, "I only skimmed these comments, so...

2008-12-09T15:04:00.000+13:00

Anonymous said, "I only skimmed these comments, so I don't know if this has been said. Still, it bears remembering that persecution is a good thing in COG-dom. To be hated of all men: that's the goal. When Ratzmann went on his rampage, there was all the talk about how this would put the LCG in the public eye and lead eventually to hatred. Instead, it's been forgotten, with the VT shooting and others replacing it public memory."

MY COMMENT - I remember the many sermons in the 1960s WCG about persecution and martyrdom for our beliefs. Funny, after a lifetime of Armstrongism, the only martyrs in the WCG that I am aware of were those people who had the misfortune of sitting in the Milwaukee Church the day Terry Ratzmann - one of their very own members - went on his rampage.

Richard

BB wrote:"With all due respect to the fine people ...

2008-12-09T14:54:00.000+13:00

BB wrote:

"With all due respect to the fine people who live in Oklahoma, how important to the USA is a news event concerning a small church group in Edmond? I dare say that 95% of US citizens probably don't even know that Edmond exists."

Then, PG10 wrote:

"Actually, 99.99 percent of the worlds population could care less about Flurry, Meredith, Pack or any of the other moron ministurds running one of the 600 splinter cults of Armstrongism. And that is a great thing to know!"

MY COMMENT - Let's take these statistics one step further to its logical conclusion. If 99.99% of the world's population have not heard the Armstrongism Gospel of the Kingdom of God, then the end cannot come (Matt. 24:14). If the end cannot come because the gospel has not been preached into all the world, then Herbert Armstrong cannot be the end time Elijah and he did not preach the gospel into all the world as he said he did. Therefore, HWA was fraud and so are all the other 600 splinter groups.

Richard

Gavin,Ewald Frank airs his programme on Triangle T...

2008-12-09T13:30:00.000+13:00

Gavin,

Ewald Frank airs his programme on Triangle TV at 1130 hours each Sunday on Prime TV in Auckland,NZ.

He calls himself a missionary.

This man is doing just as much a ministry as is Uncle Rodders or Jerrycan Flurry.

He is the successor to William Brannon and has his headquarters in Krefeld, Germany.

Jorgheinz

Larry,If as you say, "the 'public' NEVER cares abo...

2008-12-09T01:39:00.000+13:00

Larry,

If as you say, "the 'public' NEVER cares about anyone or anything, unless it specifically affects them personally", then why was it several years ago that you couldn't open a U.S. newspaper or turn on a TV without learning more than you wanted to know about Paris Hilton?

"One thing I have learned through vast experience is that one should NEVER believe the Press when it comes to religion. Their agenda is ALWAYS to make religious people look bad, or even better, hypocritical."

That's OK, Larry. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

PG10 - "preparing his cult to flee"Will we ever ge...

2008-12-09T00:16:00.000+13:00

PG10 - "preparing his cult to flee"

Will we ever get to the stage where any COG leader will go that far? I could imagine a final fleecing followed by a few leaders fleeing -- but not to Petra. Unless they were worried about arrest (which I understand made Herb consider an escape flight to Mexico City) why would anyone give up a luxurious lifestyle financed by a fearful flock?

Larry wrote:>>My personal opinion is that Fl...

2008-12-08T20:40:00.000+13:00

Larry wrote:

>>My personal opinion is that Flurry and his group are wackos. But, they are entitled to do as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone.<<

The problem is, Flurry and PCG HAS hurt people! This depraved degenerate has killed members through his teachings on doctors. He has destroyed countless marriages and broken up hundreds of families all because of the filth he teaches. He has tried to cheat family members out of inheritances because he thought he should get all the money. Are we to sit by as he starts preparing his cult to flee to a 'Place of Final Training' where thousands more will die?????? Flurry and his creepy little son are capable of such things.

BB wrote:>>With all due respect to the fine ...

2008-12-08T20:33:00.000+13:00

BB wrote:

>>With all due respect to the fine people who live in Oklahoma, how important to the USA is a news event concerning a small church group in Edmond? I dare say that 95% of US citizens probably don't even know that Edmond exists.
<<

Actually, 99.99 percent of the worlds population could care less about Flurry, Meredith, Pack or any of the other moron ministurds running one of the 600 splinter cults of Armstrongism. And that is a great thing to know!

>>>He speaks of his "1993 sin" ...

2008-12-08T18:11:00.000+13:00

>>>He speaks of his "1993 sin" which "I publicly repented of before the church and before God..."<<<

Ok, I give up!
Did Flurpy REALLY "publicly" repent???

I'd think such a public repentance would have garnered some comments, which I don't remember.

Does ANYONE remember that Flurpy "publicly repented" of trying to bribe a cop and the other associated sins he committed during that incident???

Or, is that silly schmuck just lying, again?

Round IIISo much said, yet so much unsaid, and una...

2008-12-08T13:41:00.000+13:00

Round III

So much said, yet so much unsaid, and unanswered.

Of course, millions were spent on legal costs and copyright. The question was, whose millions?

Yes, you can disagree with Flurry, until you become a member, or after you become an ex-member. I remember a WWN article where HWA explained that "don't believe me" only applied to those who were not yet WCG members. After that, believe me...

Anonymous 9:48 raises an interesting point regardi...

2008-12-08T13:37:00.000+13:00

Anonymous 9:48 raises an interesting point regarding the size of these ACOG organizations. There are "mega" churches in all of our major cities boasting larger memberships than probably each of the individual ACOG splinters.

ACOGs are pretty much inconsequential in impact, and are not growing in any statistically significant way.

I have believed for quite some time now that their actvities are only noticed by their own members, and those of us who have gained enough wisdom to have left them, and are waiting for Gamaliel's pronouncements to take effect.

With all due respect to the fine people who live in Oklahoma, how important to the USA is a news event concerning a small church group in Edmond? I dare say that 95% of US citizens probably don't even know that Edmond exists.

BB

"One thing I have learned through vast experience ...

2008-12-08T12:08:00.000+13:00

"One thing I have learned through vast experience is that one should NEVER believe the Press when it comes to religion. Their agenda is ALWAYS to make religious people look bad, or even better, hypocritical."

Too bad Congressman Leo Ryan never got back to the states to give his glowing report on Jonestown.

Branch Furridian(?), the "public" NEVER cares abou...

2008-12-08T10:31:00.000+13:00

Branch Furridian(?), the "public" NEVER cares about anyone or anything, unless it specifically affects them personally. And even that is questionable. So, why is anyone surprised?

"The great thing about Six Pack's ads is that the public is not going to care about them any more than they did when Herb ran his ads during the receivership. The broad majority of people ignored the ads."

My personal opinion is that Flurry and his group are wackos. But, they are entitled to do as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone. One thing I have learned through vast experience is that one should NEVER believe the Press when it comes to religion. Their agenda is ALWAYS to make religious people look bad, or even better, hypocritical.

[B.S. PART III]Nick Winkler and Fox 25, without re...

2008-12-08T09:48:00.000+13:00

[B.S. PART III]

Nick Winkler and Fox 25, without realizing what they were doing, allowed themselves to be snared into attacking the Church of God. They let themselves be misled by ex-members and others who dislike our message. They accepted, without checking the facts, the testimony of expelled former members. In doing so, they tried to trash the reputation of the church of the living God!

Gerald,

A number of years ago when your (NOT God's) Philadelphia Cult supposedly had about 7,000 people attending, it was announced in services that more people had left the PCG (that is, had quit or been kicked out) than were currently attending. Now, years later, it is reported that you have fewer than 5,000 suckers left under your mind control. Many of the remaining suckers will probably leave or be kicked out too in the future.

It seems only logical that the TV station would check what the EX-members--the VAST MAJORITY--have to say about that whole bad experience with the tyranny of Satan, which you try to pass off as the "government of God."

And again, the PCG is not God's church at all. It is a sneaky impostor designed by Satan to make the truth look bad.

As for "checking the facts," it is your own PCG members who have been FORBIDDEN by YOU to "check the facts." That is why you cut them off from former WCG members (including their own family members) who could tell them anything, and forbid them to look up the truth on the Internet.

Just as Simon the Sorcerer did not represent the true Church of God, neither does Gerald Flurry represent the true Church of God.

And baby makes three....Third ad in weekend papers...

2008-12-08T05:46:00.000+13:00

And baby makes three....

Third ad in weekend papers

I don't think PCG believes in trinities, so I'm tempted to gamble on a fourth ad appearing soon.